Arms Lore Change
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Winstonian
Grandmaster
Great job to @eppy and Co. on making changes to tweak and improve the game. Well done.
Winstonian
Grandmaster
I wish this gave an additional boost for slower weapons. It's probably asking a lot, but having slow weapons hit slightly more than fast weapons with GM Arms Lore would be a nice balancing touch.
Ludwig
Grandmaster
If I have to explain the joke...
slow weapons already hit harder.
Ludwig
Grandmaster
Current template is:
100/90/35
100 Swords
100 Tactics
100 Anatomy
100 Healing
100 Magery
100 Resist
100 Arms Lore (dropped Lumberjacking)
Just testing a katana against dragons, the hit% feels significantly higher. Good stuff! Feels a lot more like I'm only missing half of the time.
100/90/35
100 Swords
100 Tactics
100 Anatomy
100 Healing
100 Magery
100 Resist
100 Arms Lore (dropped Lumberjacking)
Just testing a katana against dragons, the hit% feels significantly higher. Good stuff! Feels a lot more like I'm only missing half of the time.
Decoy
Grandmaster
That's identical to my template except I have med instead of Arms Lore at the moment. Thinking of dropping it for Arms Lore. If it's really that good I think it might be worth it.
Edit: I roll with 90 str and 45 int and just pot all the time, but more or less pretty similar.
Ludwig
Grandmaster
There are times where I would like Meditation but I have Magery just to be able to GHeal like a boss. When you add in bandages and pots, it makes you pretty durable...
Med is pretty easy to regain if you don't like Arms Lore!
halv
Grandmaster
Okay, I tested it on mostly ettins and ogre, some paragons.
Without Talisman put on around 70% of all swings do damage.
With talisman I got 78% hits. There is something that you will recognize. But ettins and ogres are mostly easy to hit without talisman too. I got them around my house. This was the fastes way to got a lot of hits for statistic.
Without Talisman put on around 70% of all swings do damage.
With talisman I got 78% hits. There is something that you will recognize. But ettins and ogres are mostly easy to hit without talisman too. I got them around my house. This was the fastes way to got a lot of hits for statistic.
ProdigyOsi
Grandmaster
I did a similar test on a mob with 140 wrestling. No facts or figures but I went from missing far more often than not to hitting far more often than not. This is a minimum hit chance, not a hit chance increase. It will not be realized on cannot fodder but on bosses and high end creatures it seems amazing.
Darkarna
Grandmaster
You can be good at everything, but only outstanding at a few things... Piloting a tank while knitting a scarf is the true definition of embroidery.
Modus
Master
11 Misses on a regular Earth Elemental, Katana. Armslore GM should raise min-hitchance on any shit please??
Young Star
Grandmaster
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Young Star
Grandmaster
After playing with this for a few weeks i like the benefits. I still feel that this should not have been tied to a skill.
IMHO if anything is tied to skills it should have a benefit for both PvP and PvM. I know they really try to stick to a pvp system that captures the nostalgia of UO:R pvp. Even with that when it comes to skills that effect combat they should work in both. You should not have to decide between making a pvm character or a pvp. What works good for one should work good for the other. It doesnt have to be the exact same benefit but if something takes a whole skill it should have some benefit. This goes for spirit speak as well.
@eppy @Shane i really hope this will be given another look for the Kingdoms expansion. There shouldn't be this big of a divide between "pvm" templates and "pvp" templates.
IMHO if anything is tied to skills it should have a benefit for both PvP and PvM. I know they really try to stick to a pvp system that captures the nostalgia of UO:R pvp. Even with that when it comes to skills that effect combat they should work in both. You should not have to decide between making a pvm character or a pvp. What works good for one should work good for the other. It doesnt have to be the exact same benefit but if something takes a whole skill it should have some benefit. This goes for spirit speak as well.
@eppy @Shane i really hope this will be given another look for the Kingdoms expansion. There shouldn't be this big of a divide between "pvm" templates and "pvp" templates.
ProdigyOsi
Grandmaster
I don't think he is suggesting that really. I think he is saying that anything you have to tank 100 skill points into should have PVP benefits (i.e. Alch, Inscribe, Anatomy), but not that these should work in PVP. He feels that you should just get these (Arms Lore/Spirit Speak) benefits for having a talisman in a PVM scenarios.
Young Star
Grandmaster
This^
I dont expect the exact same benefits you get now from these two skills in PVM to also work the same with pvp. I am just asking that you give them some kind of benefit. When you tie combat abilities to skills they should not only benefit PvM.
It was fine when all the abilities for added pvm content was mainly tied to talismans or other item content but once skills get mixed in that have no use in pvp it creates a divide. Skills should have a benefit to both sides if they are used for combat.
UO at its roots was built to balance both PvP and PvM. Every skill that is used for fighting has a benefit for fighting monsters and players.
take wrestling and go for the disarm.