PET SPEED CHANGE

[girana]

funny thing about these change are


there only 2-3 players total that using dragons in the field and they make everyone cry.

 

[lollo]

funny thing about these change are


there only 2-3 players total that using dragons in the field and they make everyone cry.

If anything they Are gonna revert The changes because you fucking scrubs burn through 50 pet ball charges a day (as a guild) and That's a big income For The server.

I support The revert of The change as long as i won't have to hear you cry any more




Oh and 100kk

 

[girana]

If anything they Are gonna revert The changes because you fucking scrubs burn through 50 pet ball charges a day (as a guild) and That's a big income For The server.

I support The revert of The change as long as i won't have to hear you cry any more

we also did that before pet speed wasnt every that high you always need to burn 10-15 charges a fight

 

[lollo]

Did that cost you 100kk?

 

[Shane]

funny thing about these change are


there only 2-3 players total that using dragons in the field and they make everyone cry.

Well that's exactly what we evaluate and test.

By now we are well experienced in shifting through the "shit/selfish requests" and the "honest/selfless" requests.
If issues come up, specially due to a recent change, please know that we didn't just change it because THREE people say so on the forums. We look at it, test it, and then change it. That's what makes UO. You can change one thing, and it can affect something else that you would never even think of. It's fragile, and unique because of that. This is definitely something worth looking into though, but obviously we are completely aware of how people use pets.

Basically, changes we make are always after well thought out talks.

My first thought that this post was created because he got pk'd and his pets did not defend him at all or fast enough.
It would be nice to hear how he got to this conclusion for sure.

 

[MZ3K]

I don't get it, this was supposed to be about pets being too fast in pvp and to solve that issue the GMs made the pets for factioners (the stuff thats supposed to generate pvp) faster? This doesn't make sense. Why were speeds nerfed for non factioners? I never see non faction tamers engage in pvp, they are way too scared to get their pet killed and having to grind up their skill points again. Why do the GMs seem to always forget about the time and effort it takes to do certain things. People go through the horrible grind of going from 50 taming to lvl 7 meta BECAUSE meta pets are supposed to be the most badass fighting machines. Thats why taming takes so long, thats why stuff is so expensive for tamers. It doesn't make sense to say "they are too strong (because they are fast? lol)" so we nerf them". They are supposed to be badass. Why do people who put in no time at all compared to tamers even get more of an upper hand against tamers? Where is the incentive to make a tamer? And lets face it even before the nerf meta pets werent any good in pvp. To my knowledge there was only a handful of people who even used them in pvp. And again, how does it balance things if you make the pets for pvp chars (factioners) actually faster? Have you guy tried navigating tight spaces (like the daemon spot in wind) with the slow pets? They get stuck 5 times on a two screen distance because they are just too slow to keep up even if you walk.

That and I know of nobody that uses drag-along-pets for dungeon pvp. No matter how fast they were, they were too ADD to move through a dungeon toward a player-target. Night mounts were the only legit use of pets in PvP that I've seen. The devs nerfed the dismount fighter into oblivion - is making pets slower going to do anything at all really?

I'd bet fewer than 1 in 500 PvP fights will be meaningfully affected by this change, but at least 499 in 500 PvM tamers will be annoyed by it every day.

 

[Bobby123]

I don't get it, this was supposed to be about pets being too fast in pvp and to solve that issue the GMs made the pets for factioners (the stuff thats supposed to generate pvp) faster? This doesn't make sense. Why were speeds nerfed for non factioners? I never see non faction tamers engage in pvp, they are way too scared to get their pet killed and having to grind up their skill points again. Why do the GMs seem to always forget about the time and effort it takes to do certain things. People go through the horrible grind of going from 50 taming to lvl 7 meta BECAUSE meta pets are supposed to be the most badass fighting machines. Thats why taming takes so long, thats why stuff is so expensive for tamers. It doesn't make sense to say "they are too strong (because they are fast? lol)" so we nerf them". They are supposed to be badass. Why do people who put in no time at all compared to tamers even get more of an upper hand against tamers? Where is the incentive to make a tamer? And lets face it even before the nerf meta pets werent any good in pvp. To my knowledge there was only a handful of people who even used them in pvp. And again, how does it balance things if you make the pets for pvp chars (factioners) actually faster? Have you guy tried navigating tight spaces (like the daemon spot in wind) with the slow pets? They get stuck 5 times on a two screen distance because they are just too slow to keep up even if you walk.

My sentiments exactly !!!!!!!!!!

WORDS OF WISDOM !!!

THUMBS UP !!!!!!!!!!!

@eppy @Shane @Adam @halygon @JoeB @Swayze @JennaL

 

[lollo]

That and I know of nobody that uses drag-along-pets for dungeon pvp. No matter how fast they were, they were too ADD to move through a dungeon toward a player-target. Night mounts were the only legit use of pets in PvP that I've seen. The devs nerfed the dismount fighter into oblivion - is making pets slower going to do anything at all really?

I'd bet fewer than 1 in 500 PvP fights will be meaningfully affected by this change, but at least 499 in 500 PvM tamers will be really pissed off by the change.

Honestly I don't see how the movement speed affects PVMers. If you're a non trash player you can still defend yourself from PKs with slower pets (just stay close to them???) and if you're farming you're recalling to spots anyways.

Yeah maybe before the change i could clear shame 5 one minute faster than i do now, but who fucking cares? I can still pull mountains of gold every hour.

 

[MZ3K]

And I'm just gonna say it -

Ever notice glutt loves every PvP change?
The PvP manager is an EQMS member.

For all the effort the staff might put into taking a neutral view of things - having someone from a guild that plays a very particular style of PvP whispering in Shane's ear can't possibly be conducive to neutrality. It wouldn't be Shane's fault, it'd just be a consequence of human nature and the fact that the voice of one play style gets a direct link to his brain.

 

[lollo]

Oh no not this again lol


Btw everyone who pvps is happy with this change.

The only people not happy are PVMers and they are never happy

 

[MZ3K]

Honestly I don't see how the movement speed affects PVMers. If you're a non trash player you can still defend yourself from PKs with slower pets (just stay close to them???) and if you're farming you're recalling to spots anyways.

Yeah maybe before the change i could clear shame 5 one minute faster than i do now, but who fucking cares? I can still pull mountains of gold every hour.

It's not just movement speed, it's the recent overall nerfing that the OP was talking about.

 

[lollo]

It's not just movement speed, it's the recent overall nerfing that the OP was talking about.

I don't see this sorry. I can still kill things just as fast.

A single QS activation kills 3 titans and i still have 3-4 seconds left.

A single QS activation still kills a titan paragon coupled with a WW or 7x nightmare


Only the movement speed was nerfed

 

[MZ3K]

Oh no not this again lol


Btw everyone who pvps is happy with this change.

The only people not happy are PVMers and they are never happy

Yeah $ doesn't PvP at all - and I see them in here praising the change.

/sarcasm.

I think you meant

Oh no not this again lol


Btw everyone who is in EQMS is happy with this change.

The only people not happy are not in EQMS and they are never happy

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Fixed

 

[MZ3K]

I don't see this sorry. I can still kill things just as fast.

A single QS activation kills 3 titans and i still have 3-4 seconds left.

A single QS activation still kills a titan paragon coupled with a WW or 7x nightmare


Only the movement speed was nerfed

BTW, the effectiveness of QS on a mob with 500 hp has nothing to do with regular hit rate, which is what the OP wrote aboutt.

 

[Bobby123]

Yeah $ doesn't PvP at all - and I see them in here praising the change.

/sarcasm.

I think you meant

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Fixed

hahaha that was a funny post !

You got your message across and you made me laugh in rl !

Good on ya !

 

[lollo]

Yeah $ doesn't PvP at all - and I see them in here praising the change.

/sarcasm.

I think you meant

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Fixed

$ does not pvp, when they come out on factioners they get fucking wrecked and go back to raiding champs and RDAs on blue tamers lol

They don't pvp for the fun of it, they pvp for the money and they abuse the fact that tamer pvp has always been broken on this server.
Ever wondered why they have 3+ tamers each? lol
Have you even ever fought them? lol

 

[lollo]

BTW, the effectiveness of QS on a mob with 500 hp has nothing to do with regular hit rate, which is what the OP wrote aboutt.

Titan paragon has 2k hp

Also, just tell me what mob you want me to test this on lol

Seriously i tried farming for 1 hour in shame 4-5, fire 1 and 2 (basically all good money yielding elementals, titans, and balrons) and i noticed no difference at all lol

 

[Bobby123]

$ does not pvp, when they come out on factioners they get fucking wrecked and go back to raiding champs and RDAs on blue tamers lol

They don't pvp for the fun of it, they pvp for the money and they abuse the fact that tamer pvp has always been broken on this server.
Ever wondered why they have 3+ tamers each? lol
Have you even ever fought them? lol

Another cool story !

but i leave it as it is since this is not the pvp thread .

 

[tankian]

My first thought that this post was created because he got pk'd and his pets did not defend him at all or fast enough.
It would be nice to hear how he got to this conclusion for sure.

i rarely get PKd and this wasnt the case why post was made

 

[MZ3K]

Have you even ever fought them? lol

Unfortunately yes. With pets and without. Hasn't gone as well as I've wanted yet, but that'll come.

And yeah - this is getting hugely side tracked as others have mentioned.