Why is pet skill loss ignored?
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Engelschmitt
Master
So everyone is as badass as you and never has his pets die? From the amount if complaints here about the skill loss system this is clearly not the case. Also you stated a few weeks ago that you hardly play this game, what was it? 10 hrs a week? What does the AI have to do with any of this? This is your basic lollo, comes to a threat, ridicules everything people say just to fuck with the discussion. Same shit as always man.
About the lag spikes, you realize this game has players from all over the world, the Australia guys told me they spike to 400ms regularly, your "just don't play" argument when there is lag is invalid. Also there are tons of times when pets die a shit ton of times. Like during champs, do you magically teleport your pets out of a pile of mobs when they are stuck in them? You must be the most badass tamer UO has ever seen, if we all just had your skill man, life would be so much better!
Engelschmitt
Master
Here we go again... another guy that would never put in the effort to make a tamer, basicly knows shit about the problem but is so jealous of tamers that he will tell them they talk shit whenever he can. Obviously you never had to constantly buy magery/resist ss, or you would know what a pain it is to find them. Why even post here if you have no idea what the whole problem is?
GoD PaRtiCal
Master
Doesn't everyone? I mean it is THE template to play for just any event. My meta dexxor does pretty good on raking in cash but he can't tank the shit with ease like a tamer.
Tell us again how hard it is to be a tamer pls.
I have a 120 tamer, but I guess that doesn't matter. I get enough skill scrolls just off of mob drops to keep my pets skills up.
Go on though.. You're doing a great job at this whole argument thing you've got going on right now.
I saw a level 7 meta tanking what was probably 30-40 level 1-2 mobs at deceit champ the other day, barely losing any health. If you have a meta and it dies, you just suck. Making it EASIER for collecting mindless pvm mils seems like just the answer.
Engelschmitt
Master
Yes, there is no problem, you got it. Every tamer on the shard that has posted here about how awful the skill loss is is just imagining things. It's not hard to play a tamer, case closed.
GoD PaRtiCal
Master
Its also not hard to play a PvPer, PK, or prevent getting PKed but people complain about that too constantly.
The peeps that have it hard are the fishermen... those pirates are out of control..
90 percent of people crying in here are newbs. Pets shouldn't die that often if you know what you're doing. PVM is not risky and PVPers shouldn't easily kill a tamer. There are many preventions, including carrying pots, wearing invuln armor, keeping magic reflect up, having a recall macro, keeping 0 murder counts.
Most tamers I kill are naked, 0 pots, no magic reflect etc. if you want to play a tamer learn to play it right. Otherwise quit crying, most of the time death is preventable, however if you get N 8 person Ebolt rail, then yeah, not much you can do.
Engelschmitt
Master
I get it, we are all noobs in your eyes and nothing is really an issues since if we weren't such stinkin noobs we would have no problem with skill loss. In reality it's the same issues as with the PKs. You can tell people all day long that they are just too dumb to play the game and maybe you are right but in the end it matters what most people want and what is driving people off the shard. If so many people have an issue with the skill loss then there needs to be some fix from staff or it's hurting the shard.
The problem is tamers are the most powerful chars on the server and the biggest gold makers. You are asking to take away risk and keep all your reward.
The server is alive because it's very well balanced for the most part. You bring in trammel style of play and the server dies just like OSI. It's about learning to adapt. This isn't candy land.
The server is alive because it's very well balanced for the most part. You bring in trammel style of play and the server dies just like OSI. It's about learning to adapt. This isn't candy land.
lollo
Grandmaster
Cinder
Master
Why do PVPERS even bother to comment here? This is a tamers issue.
Some players have no desire to PVP.
PVMING : Challenge from day one. GM taming to 120 taming, (while surviving getting PVP d and killed by spawn.)
Expensive: Cost of relics, scrolls for pets and tamer. Do the math!
Pets : Getting Pets, Training Pets, (while surviving getting PVP d and killed by spawn.)
Doing champs rda s and just farming difficult spawn is high factor , risk verses reward
Tamers are set up to deal with spawn, not PVPERS. (We are their bait.. LOL)
Not very often that I see PVPERs farming spawn. They tend to prefer to farm us tamers. I can deal with that. I don't mind sharing my gold with the needy.
I cant deal with pets skill loss. Pets become useless against spawn and PVPERS when their skills are so low. I know from experience.
I can kill things with full skill that I can not kill with lowered skill lvls, so it does matter!!
Compare a tamer with low skill pets, to a PVPER who doesn't use pots, and or has no pvp skills.
All of the tamers I know help new players. We promote the economy, and player base.
*Fix it where we take a temporary skill loss if pets die, just like the other classes of players. *
Happy Hunts All!!
Some players have no desire to PVP.
PVMING : Challenge from day one. GM taming to 120 taming, (while surviving getting PVP d and killed by spawn.)
Expensive: Cost of relics, scrolls for pets and tamer. Do the math!
Pets : Getting Pets, Training Pets, (while surviving getting PVP d and killed by spawn.)
Doing champs rda s and just farming difficult spawn is high factor , risk verses reward
Tamers are set up to deal with spawn, not PVPERS. (We are their bait.. LOL)
Not very often that I see PVPERs farming spawn. They tend to prefer to farm us tamers. I can deal with that. I don't mind sharing my gold with the needy.
I cant deal with pets skill loss. Pets become useless against spawn and PVPERS when their skills are so low. I know from experience.
I can kill things with full skill that I can not kill with lowered skill lvls, so it does matter!!
Compare a tamer with low skill pets, to a PVPER who doesn't use pots, and or has no pvp skills.
All of the tamers I know help new players. We promote the economy, and player base.
*Fix it where we take a temporary skill loss if pets die, just like the other classes of players. *
Happy Hunts All!!
Why do PVPERS even bother to comment here? This is a tamers issue.
Some players have no desire to PVP.
PVMING : Challenge from day one. GM taming to 120 taming, (while surviving getting PVP d and killed by spawn.)
Expensive: Cost of relics, scrolls for pets and tamer. Do the math!
Pets : Getting Pets, Training Pets, (while surviving getting PVP d and killed by spawn.)
Doing champs rda s and just farming difficult spawn is high factor , risk verses reward
Tamers are set up to deal with spawn, not PVPERS. (We are their bait.. LOL)
Not very often that I see PVPERs farming spawn. They tend to prefer to farm us tamers. I can deal with that. I don't mind sharing my gold with the needy.
I cant deal with pets skill loss. Pets become useless against spawn and PVPERS when their skills are so low. I know from experience.
I can kill things with full skill that I can not kill with lowered skill lvls, so it does matter!!
Compare a tamer with low skill pets, to a PVPER who doesn't use pots, and or has no pvp skills.
All of the tamers I know help new players. We promote the economy, and player base.
*Fix it where we take a temporary skill loss if pets die, just like the other classes of players. *
Happy Hunts All!!
Oh god. Get over it. They are not going to create trammel rules for you select individuals that can't seem to learn how to play the game correctly. This isn't WoW. No one is going to hold your hand while you level your pet. Use skill scrolls and stay out of high traffic farming areas. You want the best loot? Well you risk of dying goes up. You want temporary stat loss and no pet skill loss? Join factions. Everything in this game is in place to counter every complaint you had. Some people are just too ignorant for a game like this.
Darkarna
Grandmaster
What? This is not Trammel? Are you kidding me, seriously?
There is a very good rule of thumb that should be applied when replying to someone on these forums, that rule is "Make sure that you know what you are talking about."
I have never been a fan of tamers, I have always considered them an extremely over-powered farming machine with the players behind the character having a 'Holier than thou' approach to others, however, like all classes on here they have their place, they kick start the economy on fresh shards and are extremely funny when they are upset. They also produce a lot of rares.
This server has already implemented a lot of Trammel areas for PK's and even blues at Brit bank, a place where safer trading is possible, a place where PK's cant be statted and other assorted safe zones which are really a foreign policy to Ultima Online, especially on a server that is supposedly Fellucian rule set. There is no denying this point, since it is blatantly obvious it exists, so instead of throwing around the Trammel comment, use a different approach and emphasise other more specific reasons why Tamers should have permanent skill loss on their pets.
Again, I am not a fan of tamers, never have been, but the Trammel comment is so heavily used on this server that pretty much everyone fails to realise that it doesn't matter what class you are, there are elements of Trammel for EVERYONE here.
steve-o
Grandmaster
Wtf this is not about trammel or anything else.
This is not about pet skill loss.
This is about skills that cant raise back and that need a fix. Please get the fuck out of here if u have nothing usefull to say on these problems.
Before writing please read halygon post to understand the problem.
This is not about pet skill loss.
This is about skills that cant raise back and that need a fix. Please get the fuck out of here if u have nothing usefull to say on these problems.
Before writing please read halygon post to understand the problem.
GoD PaRtiCal
Master
Ideally, yeah, this is about that ^^ The reality is this:
Which is a stupid, selfish request of players that want an easier life. The above arguments don't even make sense when you look at them.Why do PVPERS even bother to comment here? This is a tamers issue.
Some players have no desire to PVP.
PVMING : Challenge from day one. GM taming to 120 taming, (while surviving getting PVP d and killed by spawn.)
Expensive: Cost of relics, scrolls for pets and tamer. Do the math!
Pets : Getting Pets, Training Pets, (while surviving getting PVP d and killed by spawn.)
Doing champs rda s and just farming difficult spawn is high factor , risk verses reward
Tamers are set up to deal with spawn, not PVPERS. (We are their bait.. LOL)
Not very often that I see PVPERs farming spawn. They tend to prefer to farm us tamers. I can deal with that. I don't mind sharing my gold with the needy.
I cant deal with pets skill loss. Pets become useless against spawn and PVPERS when their skills are so low. I know from experience.
I can kill things with full skill that I can not kill with lowered skill lvls, so it does matter!!
Compare a tamer with low skill pets, to a PVPER who doesn't use pots, and or has no pvp skills.
All of the tamers I know help new players. We promote the economy, and player base.
*Fix it where we take a temporary skill loss if pets die, just like the other classes of players. *
Happy Hunts All!!
-> "Tamers are set up to deal with spawn, not PVPERS" -> Completely their choice. My tamer's have always been able to deal with both. Bad excuse here.
-> "I can kill things with full skill that I cannot kill with lowered skill lvls, so it does matter!!" -> unless your pet is completely untrained or you have a early level meta, its pretty useful in most circumstance. Sure you cannot solo a balron with a low end pet, but a good pet with a couple points off each skill from dying? Yeah no noticeable difference. You're lying to yourself if you think otherwise.
-> "Compare a tamer with low skill pets, to a PVPER who doesn't use pots, and or has no pvp skills" -> why would this be a comparison at all? No logical sense. Reaching for straws.
-> "All of the tamers i know help new players. We promote the economy, and the player base" -> Cause tamers are the only ones to do this AND that this is a great reason to give them a buff? Get out of here.
-> "Fix it where we take a temporary skill loss if pets die, just like the other classes of players." -> All classes of players have pet skill loss. Oh! do you mean to say that pet skill loss is equivalent to Faction stat or 9->48 hours of not being able to play a character? Don't be stupid.
Engelschmitt
Master
Must be tough writing these essays about how tamers want trammel while standing on top of Brit bank with your red toon.
No, it's actually much worse. Faction stats lasts 5 minutes, who cares about that? Being statted as red may lasts a long time but you can just afk that time if you like and it's not like everyone who plays a red doesn't have up to 9 reds anyways to step in when one dies. I want to remind everyone of the huge outcry when Shane announced that reds may lose part of their skills when killed in the future. I don't even want to imagine what other threats than "I'll grief the entire shard or leave if this happens" would be thrown around if reds would lose skills that couldn't even be trained back up afterwards. Also if that would happen right on their death and not if someone was lucky enough to pick up their head and make it to the guard to stat them...
No, it's actually much worse. Faction stats lasts 5 minutes, who cares about that? Being statted as red may lasts a long time but you can just afk that time if you like and it's not like everyone who plays a red doesn't have up to 9 reds anyways to step in when one dies. I want to remind everyone of the huge outcry when Shane announced that reds may lose part of their skills when killed in the future. I don't even want to imagine what other threats than "I'll grief the entire shard or leave if this happens" would be thrown around if reds would lose skills that couldn't even be trained back up afterwards. Also if that would happen right on their death and not if someone was lucky enough to pick up their head and make it to the guard to stat them...
Darkarna
Grandmaster
The word Trammel has been used so many times to describe someone or their play style that it becomes a little tedious when in fact, 100% of the people who play on this server are #affected by the Trammelian virus that has spread quite rapidly over the years on here.
The highlighted comment will be addressed simply by : " I don't do requests nor do I succumb to orders in this fashion."
This argument has been going on for ages now and honestly, I would be surprised if a fix comes a long to cater for what you want. It is what it is and even though I can feel sympathy to what you guys go through, your pain is not compared to that of some other classes on here.
Good luck with your quest.