Q) Why do I still play UO? A) PKs

[wendy whoppers]

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Lots of truth here but I doubt a change in statloss would result in 30 man zergs. The majority of the payer base came here because of the past... the game is even marketed that way. Is there a way to keep the nostalgia with today's technology... Probably?

You think someone newb pks want to train skills again for the 100th time? To mitigate said risks they will form the worlds biggest zerg, the likes of which you have never seen.

The irony of all of us this is people were chanting for perma statloss for the last year based on a few power reds. The problem here is a lot of you are trammie WOW Care Bears.

I'm generally a solo pk and you should see the tears of pain I get from victims. It's like I banged their wife irl or something. I don't get it.

 

[Lexington]

Let's see if we can frame the debate more clearly.

Does everyone want stiffer penalties for ALL reds including the ones that aren't Zerging?

or

Would everyone rather see a system that focuses on the huge red Zergs?

If everyone is butt hurt over the ridiculous zergs then I think the solution is going to have to deal with group combat among red characters. This could include party members, guild members, or red characters within a radius. You could make it so that there are restrictions on the group combat dynamics such as who can heal who, etc. That said, I don't particularly advocate for this idea but I'm not sure what other ways you can affect group zerg's while not penalizing the reds that don't.

Thoughts?

I see the problem being that there isn't a healthy enough faction PVP system to keep factions fighting factions... and when you allow red faction players, what happens when they get bored is group PKing. I'd remove reds from factions.... and implemented the short term count system for the real PKs. Bottom line I've never seen the need to allow murders into factions.

 

[Lexington]

You think someone newb pks want to train skills again for the 100th time? To mitigate said risks they will form the worlds biggest zerg, the likes of which you have never seen.

The irony of all of us this is people were chanting for perma statloss for the last year based on a few power reds. The problem here is a lot of you are trammie WOW Care Bears.

I'm generally a solo pk and you should see the tears of pain I get from victims. It's like I banged their wife irl or something. I don't get it.

No no no.... The short and long term system....not an insta permanent stat loss system. I'm not sure most here understand the way the system works?

I give ya props for the solo PK thing. On Sonoma its the way I rolled. I tried it here as a Mage and it was though as hell.

 

[GluttonySDS]

Have the staff get the TB faction going so there are 4 viable faction groups so those looking for PVP never have to leave the no cut zone/faction bases.

 

[Lexington]

Have the staff get the TB faction going so there are 4 viable faction groups so those looking for PVP never have to leave the no cut zone/faction bases.

It would be awesome to see the staff play TB. It would be even better if they played on god like characters and rolled as the enforcer faction.

 

[Cack]

Summation of this thread thus far(thread tl;dr).....

"you want trammel you crybaby farmer"

"No you want trammel, you butt hurt pk"

"insert ridiculous suggestion here"

"Name calling post there"

and here we are.

 

[Budcookie]

i'm sure if you guys took a break from farming/champs you could have at least ten. Then message trin & bad\hi alliance in IRC you could have a group of 20+. Next step would be for you all you all to get in the UOF's FREE vent and start calling targets. Sadly it probably won't happen because a lot of trammie blues have this massive pixel ego and refuse to work together.

So because you want to pvp, and thats what you want to do, i have to stop what im doing to come play the game your way? I was told the other night that this was UO and i needed to adapt and stop complaining.
So i have to stop playing the game how i want to play it to play your way, so basically we should stop spawning monsters when the reds want to pvp and that will be a signal to all pvmers to either get ready for pvp or go do something else as long as the pvpers want to pvp. There are enough of you pvpers now that us pvmers shouldnt even be a thought. You are like a puppy with a toy that wont go away till the ball is thrown, why should we be forced to pvp? The only thing pvmers complain about is red zergs. Reds complain about every goddamn thing there is, and get, stat free zones, auto buy back, no perma statloss. I expect to get pked at shame 5 40 percent of the time by a couple reds, that makes that gold soooo much more rewarding. What i dont get, and never will, is what a group of 20 plus reds has to GAIN from griefing people that arent hunting, dont have loot on them, and dont want to fight anyways.

 

[Cack]

What i dont get, and never will, is what a group of 20 plus reds has to GAIN from griefing people that arent hunting, dont have loot on them, and dont want to fight anyways.

Because they can

 

[besttherewas]

I think Easters long weekend event should be role reversal - all blues are red for the weekend and vice versa.

This would help the blues understand that being red is much more difficult than they ever realised along with the harsh consequences of being attackable by all and taken out of the game for 2 days from a stun gank.

In all seriousness, remove all target macros beyond attack last, targ self and last target then watch the zergs fail (blue zergs included).

 

[Cack]

But it's your choice ...knowing the consequences to become red....I don't get why you want blues to understand where reds are coming from when...they already know
Yes you have consequences, yes you knew about them before becoming red, and yes it is absolutely right that you should have consequences up to and including stun gank(similar to the ones alot of red zergs dishout.
What exactly are you trying to get blues to understand?
Risk vs reward applies to reds too.

 

[Karl Sagan]

It would be awesome to see the staff play TB. It would be even better if they played on god like characters and rolled as the enforcer faction.

This is a joke right? How gutless are the blues on this server if a group of reds has them asking for staff to play on godlike characters? I hope that's a joke...

So because you want to pvp, and thats what you want to do, i have to stop what im doing to come play the game your way? I was told the other night that this was UO and i needed to adapt and stop complaining.
So i have to stop playing the game how i want to play it to play your way, so basically we should stop spawning monsters when the reds want to pvp and that will be a signal to all pvmers to either get ready for pvp or go do something else as long as the pvpers want to pvp. There are enough of you pvpers now that us pvmers shouldnt even be a thought. You are like a puppy with a toy that wont go away till the ball is thrown, why should we be forced to pvp? The only thing pvmers complain about is red zergs. Reds complain about every goddamn thing there is, and get, stat free zones, auto buy back, no perma statloss. I expect to get pked at shame 5 40 percent of the time by a couple reds, that makes that gold soooo much more rewarding. What i dont get, and never will, is what a group of 20 plus reds has to GAIN from griefing people that arent hunting, dont have loot on them, and dont want to fight anyways.

UO is an open pvp game man. No one is making you pvp but it has ALWAYS been the case that you have to be ready to fight for what is yours. That's why we are here.

But it's your choice ...knowing the consequences to become red....I don't get why you want blues to understand where reds are coming from when...they already know
Yes you have consequences, yes you knew about them before becoming red, and yes it is absolutely right that you should have consequences up to and including stun gank(similar to the ones alot of red zergs dishout.
What exactly are you trying to get blues to understand?
Risk vs reward applies to reds too.

Yes reds knew the risk of going red. But now we have people calling for everything from account wide stat, perma stat, GMs playing God characters, and IRL castration as a result of people simply being unwilling to do what is necessary. Instead of calling for such shameful things, every person crying about reds in here should be joining a char to that THUG guild: put up or shut up.

I think @Lexington has a fine idea with the statloss model, but I think his figures are too high.

I disagree about taking reds out of factions. Mechanics limiting player choice are BAD. If stat is in then faction reds need more protection than they currently have.

I applaud @Shane and @Adam (and anyone else involved) for pushing for a player driven counter to the overwhelming pvp domination of the righteous EQMS army. Huge group pvp is probably the most fun I have ever had in UO. I remember the first days of factions with giant siege like battles happening, please Lord @GluttonySDS let me see those battles once again!

 

[Bromista]

When that dude logs on he doesn't leave the docks anyway, so his point is moot.

 

[God.RG]

When that dude logs on he doesn't leave the docks anyway, so his point is moot.

ironic coming from you.

 

[Cack]

@ Karl Sagan yea i agree some of these suggestions are beyond lunacy. Also agree to limiting a playstyle in any way....not good.
A point i need to make here is almost forcing people to change their playstyle on either side of this isnt the solution. So telling a solo bard he must group with others when this is not the way he has played for 15+ years isn't going to work. And beyond that what I said earlier in this thread the mindset of a red and the mindset of a blue are and will remain totally different. Putting a blue in a red's shoes would be like inserting the brain of a cat into the body of a dog and telling him to act like a dog. Sure he looks like a dog but still acts like a cat. Same thing wiht blues and reds. Sure you could insert a blue into a red's body but the thought process of the blue would remain.

Likewise forcing a red to change his playstyle isn't the answer either.

But I do know this EVERY playstyle has a right to play the way they want. I have said this across multiple shards when threads of this nature come up. So changing the way any playstyle plays is a slippery slope.

 

[Bromista]

ironic coming from you.

Is it, though?

I get out there and do shit. Like all the time, man.

Are you high?

 

[Karl Sagan]

@ Karl Sagan yea i agree some of these suggestions are beyond lunacy. Also agree to limiting a playstyle in any way....not good.
A point i need to make here is almost forcing people to change their playstyle on either side of this isnt the solution. So telling a solo bard he must group with others when this is not the way he has played for 15+ years isn't going to work. And beyond that what I said earlier in this thread the mindset of a red and the mindset of a blue are and will remain totally different. Putting a blue in a red's shoes would be like inserting the brain of a cat into the body of a dog and telling him to act like a dog. Sure he looks like a dog but still acts like a cat. Same thing wiht blues and reds. Sure you could insert a blue into a red's body but the thought process of the blue would remain.

It is 100% totally reasonable to tell a solo bard to either play with others, get prepared, or get used to dying. This is a MMO for christ sakes. If someone is that against cooperative play, and get that upset at being pked, then UOF IS NOT FOR THEM.

I'm not saying that pvmers have to become hardcore pks, but this is an open pvp game. So you better believe there is going to be open pvp.

Also thx for your reasoned take on it.

 

[Budcookie]

UO is an open pvp game man. No one is making you pvp but it has ALWAYS been the case that you have to be ready to fight for what is yours. That's why we are here.

!

Im here for the beer and the bitches!

 

[Cack]

It is 100% totally reasonable to tell a solo bard to either play with others, get prepared, or get used to dying. This is a MMO for christ sakes. If someone is that against cooperative play, and get that upset at being pked, then UOF IS NOT FOR THEM.

I'm not saying that pvmers have to become hardcore pks, but this is an open pvp game. So you better believe there is going to be open pvp.

Also thx for your reasoned take on it.

Agreed to a point. If a solo bard is unwilling to collaberate with others to fight back, he should have no problem being pked. True, but like all things taken beyond moderation, things get old and start weighing on people.
So you have a solo bard being pked over and over and over again. His only options are to keep doing what he is doing, group up wiht other people thus making him uncomfortable in his playing time or quit.
Doesn't sound like a good set of choices.

Lets say a bunch of solo bards and/or small guilds group up...what then? They are not seasoned pvpers like their opponent reds. All of them will die maybe taking a few reds with them. The learning curve here I think will be too high and people will get tired of doing this and we will be right back to the same situation we are in now.

 

[Karl Sagan]

Agreed to a point. If a solo bard is unwilling to collaberate with others to fight back, he should have no problem being pked. True, but like all things taken beyond moderation, things get old and start weighing on people.
So you have a solo bard being pked over and over and over again. His only options are to keep doing what he is doing, group up wiht other people thus making him uncomfortable in his playing time or quit.
Doesn't sound like a good set of choices.

life is full of hard choices :/

 

[Lexington]

This is a joke right? How gutless are the blues on this server if a group of reds has them asking for staff to play on godlike characters? I hope that's a joke...

No joke, but its kinda off topic for this thread. I think it would awesome to have the shard band together once in a while to take on an elite staff faction...