I agree for sure because you dont want a twenty min 4 on 4 where it turns into a running match with these rules but I think given a chance at surviving outnumbered more ppl will choose to fight but I think stam loss when youve delviered dmg to another player in the 5 mins would be a nice touch.
The new anti zerg laws!
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So I guess your account should be banned since you can't add anything useful to a suggestion thread. Try adding a valid argument against something and maybe threads that you disagree would disappear on there own.
K A Z
Grandmaster
And what exactly is good about surviving against 3 other players? Your idea is one of those that come up every half a year when some people get owned hard by ganks.
Actually this idea is mainly coming from getting sick of no real fights. I have no problem getting owned I actually enjoy being outnumbered but a lot of pvp is running with my group and dropping on target and that just isn't pvp. What is good about 1 surviving against 3 is when the 3 are horrible they don't have instant win button anymore. 3 should still win with triple the interrupts / finger slips but takes done skill and a good pvp can have a chance staying on screen and actually engaging in pvp.
Nubby
Apprentice
Having been on both ends of a gank, realize it's an mmorpg. Get friends, recruit, grow and win
The funny part is this isn't coming from the side of being ganked it is more from being bored with pvp because running around and dropping on coat isn't pvp and if your part of the numbers it is boring. I want fights. Actual pvp.
Nubby
Apprentice
Then disband from your zerg group and start a new guild if you are bored with having too many numbers. You want ingame mechanics to fix something that isn't broke.
We've killed people with 4 guildies on, only to run into others with 10 on. It's an mmorpg, not a dueling game, not a strictly pvp game. It's a "world with hundreds/thousands of players". If you want less scripted / synch fights play a different character type. If you want a challenge don't make new friends, and be outnumbered. If you want to even things up, make a few friends. If you want to zerg try to form up with another guild.
Open world PvP shouldn't be limited because you wish to stay small, same size or large. Both sides can suck but it beats the alternative of devs trying to dictate how we play the game.
We've killed people with 4 guildies on, only to run into others with 10 on. It's an mmorpg, not a dueling game, not a strictly pvp game. It's a "world with hundreds/thousands of players". If you want less scripted / synch fights play a different character type. If you want a challenge don't make new friends, and be outnumbered. If you want to even things up, make a few friends. If you want to zerg try to form up with another guild.
Open world PvP shouldn't be limited because you wish to stay small, same size or large. Both sides can suck but it beats the alternative of devs trying to dictate how we play the game.
Schmitty2364
Neophyte
Schmitty2364
Neophyte
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halygon
Grandmaster
The bounty system is ineffective here -- cool idea, yes but still ineffective. It added gravity to murdering someone, but at the same time the side-effect of it was that reds run in packs now to protect their heads, which in turn makes blues run in zergling packs.
All of that combined with a lack of PvP support creates a shard where no one knows how to (or can) solo successfully. It is just the culture that has developed on this shard that makes large zergs and running forever to "finish" a fight.
Fallen Angel
Grandmaster
2-3 stun mages it 100% death
I am fight with 2dex and 1 mages is funny i am run in dungeon to monster and i have chance kill their
But if 2-3 stun mages..((((
fucking stun
their stun me and and I look like a fool when they kill me
2 good stun mages kill everyone easy
stun its BEST mages features
imba imho
I am fight with 2dex and 1 mages is funny i am run in dungeon to monster and i have chance kill their
But if 2-3 stun mages..((((
fucking stun
their stun me and and I look like a fool when they kill me
2 good stun mages kill everyone easy
stun its BEST mages features
imba imho
Schmitty2364
Neophyte
Hey everyone, just make sure not to ever be on any screen with an ally ever. Cant be "zerging" By the logic I've seen in this topic that means that everyone that bank sits is effectively "zerging" the bank.
I feel like a bunch of fools played too much custom maps on starcraft and then too much WoW and then tried to play Ultima.
What happens in ultima is NOT zerging. It's called a group of people trying to kill a different group of people.
Stop looking for buzzwords to slight a mechanic you do not fully understand.
I said it before and I'll say it this one last time: Anyone that actually thinks this is an issue is clearly lying or doesn't know how to play the game or has never pvped before.
80% of the time the smaller group wins. Even with bad players it really comes down to skill in the end. And communication.
Numbers dont do much here. I have seen all forms of combat here with every possible variable available and it all comes down to skill or NOT being an idiot.
Pretty sure most of the "zerg" discussion comes from people that just cant handle or figure out how to play properly
I feel like a bunch of fools played too much custom maps on starcraft and then too much WoW and then tried to play Ultima.
What happens in ultima is NOT zerging. It's called a group of people trying to kill a different group of people.
Stop looking for buzzwords to slight a mechanic you do not fully understand.
I said it before and I'll say it this one last time: Anyone that actually thinks this is an issue is clearly lying or doesn't know how to play the game or has never pvped before.
80% of the time the smaller group wins. Even with bad players it really comes down to skill in the end. And communication.
Numbers dont do much here. I have seen all forms of combat here with every possible variable available and it all comes down to skill or NOT being an idiot.
Pretty sure most of the "zerg" discussion comes from people that just cant handle or figure out how to play properly
halygon
Grandmaster
What... is.. Pee Vee Pee?
Schmitty2364
Neophyte
Responses like that in a community like this is what makes it impossible for anyone to get anything done.
halygon
Grandmaster
Actually that is a pretty accurate representation of most players on UOF.
Sure not all group fights are zergs, and folks that fight 2v5 can still win by their skill, but the actual folks that have the skill level to work as a team and take down a larger group are far and few in between. Pretty much in UO, if you have a disparity in numbers against you, then most likely you will die (as you should). This type of death is death by zerg, so its not an inaccurate response to most situations, just not one to ALL situations.
Schmitty2364
Neophyte
I was a bit heated when I jumped in here lol
Vim-
Neophyte
As progressive as UOF is, any fundamental changes to the game, such as PvP mechanics are going to be widely unpopular. Even if the changes were for the better overall, it is taking too large of a step away from the realm of the old school UO that we all know and love.
Ultima Online is a very old game, and we are playing a very old publish. Things were far from balanced in many aspects then and still are, but that's what makes it so great. This separates UO from so many other games that are trying to balance and fine tune every detail so that everyone has a good time (e.g. PvP-oriented MMOs with no looting). It's an open world for us to make of it what we want. For every shitty feature or imbalance, there's an opportunity to overcome it.
If you are looking for "field"-style PvP without the numbers games, I would suggest searching for other people with the same interest and try to start player-held "field"-PvP duels, tournaments, or maybe something like a sparring league. I imagine players would be much more accepting and supportive of something like that, rather than a server-wide revamping of the core PvP mechanics.
Ultima Online is a very old game, and we are playing a very old publish. Things were far from balanced in many aspects then and still are, but that's what makes it so great. This separates UO from so many other games that are trying to balance and fine tune every detail so that everyone has a good time (e.g. PvP-oriented MMOs with no looting). It's an open world for us to make of it what we want. For every shitty feature or imbalance, there's an opportunity to overcome it.
If you are looking for "field"-style PvP without the numbers games, I would suggest searching for other people with the same interest and try to start player-held "field"-PvP duels, tournaments, or maybe something like a sparring league. I imagine players would be much more accepting and supportive of something like that, rather than a server-wide revamping of the core PvP mechanics.