MZ3K
Grandmaster
So then let's make gm taming attainable in 4 hours? If it's irrelevant, it shouldn't matter.
This is irrelevant. The 48 is payback. Humans care about payback. Digital monsters do not.
Pet Stat loss
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Some One
Master
Red pets?
God.RG
Grandmaster
Nope. If a red dies to spawn, he can be statted. Should be the same for pets.
You wanted temp stat right???
Oh no. You wanted 5-10 minute stat for your death machine ROFL
You wanted temp stat right???
Oh no. You wanted 5-10 minute stat for your death machine ROFL
Bajorn
Apprentice
Caveat*
'm personally fine with the current state of skill loss in game.
That said - the pet perma statloss as 1 full point per death feels counter to every other death mechanic on the shard - hence the issue.
In UO (circa 97) you used to have the option to rez at corpse (for a skill loss) or run back to healer. Later iterations of the game removed the rez a corpse option because UO centered on the belief that the only thing in the game that was permanent were your skills. For a tamer, a PvM skill that is useless without a pet - the pet's stats are his skill base - He is viewing it in the same way a player would view a loss of a full point on his own toon (with no safe way to afk macro it back)
All said Tamers are gold farming machines, true - but the road to get there was 50+hours by staff design So you can see why there is some passion for the class. And lets be honest - pet stat loss only really effects the tamer a tad. If you put in a much deeper temporary stat loss say 20-25% for a few hours it would do much more then the current mechanic to slow gold growth then a 1 point loss on death.
Because at just 1 point I'm just going to go back out soon as I rez . But at 20-25% for 4-5 hours I'm not going to risk at much - I will slow down.
Mechanics for endgame meta-tamers would I assume improve as well because temporary loss means you don't have to worry about a level 7 with trashed resist because you use him. And with temporary loss - pvp centered around RDA's and Champs become more meaningful - if you kill the meta - he's down for the night - do it to enough tamers and you've crippled the other guild's run in a big way.
This all would be a non issue if pet bonding was removed. - but as the circle goes if you do that let me herd dragons again.
'm personally fine with the current state of skill loss in game.
That said - the pet perma statloss as 1 full point per death feels counter to every other death mechanic on the shard - hence the issue.
In UO (circa 97) you used to have the option to rez at corpse (for a skill loss) or run back to healer. Later iterations of the game removed the rez a corpse option because UO centered on the belief that the only thing in the game that was permanent were your skills. For a tamer, a PvM skill that is useless without a pet - the pet's stats are his skill base - He is viewing it in the same way a player would view a loss of a full point on his own toon (with no safe way to afk macro it back)
All said Tamers are gold farming machines, true - but the road to get there was 50+hours by staff design So you can see why there is some passion for the class. And lets be honest - pet stat loss only really effects the tamer a tad. If you put in a much deeper temporary stat loss say 20-25% for a few hours it would do much more then the current mechanic to slow gold growth then a 1 point loss on death.
Because at just 1 point I'm just going to go back out soon as I rez . But at 20-25% for 4-5 hours I'm not going to risk at much - I will slow down.
Mechanics for endgame meta-tamers would I assume improve as well because temporary loss means you don't have to worry about a level 7 with trashed resist because you use him. And with temporary loss - pvp centered around RDA's and Champs become more meaningful - if you kill the meta - he's down for the night - do it to enough tamers and you've crippled the other guild's run in a big way.
This all would be a non issue if pet bonding was removed. - but as the circle goes if you do that let me herd dragons again.
Adramelech
Master
Only if he has previously engaged on an innocent/pk. The same could be done for pets, if you tried to kill someone and then die to spawn later. Makes sense to me.
God.RG
Grandmaster
Lol. Tamers that have been catered to since server start want MOREEE
Kilike
Grandmaster
You clearly missed what I was replying too. Typical of most readers.
For the record. I'm all for the stat loss/shaming that was suppose to be put in for reds. So using it as an arguement isn't helping your case at all. Actually it makes you look dumb as fuck as I never said goto shittier dungeons. I said skip that spot for a bit.
Can pets skills be trained back to gm/gm+ without use of a scroll? If so I don't see a problem with the current system. Slow or not. Still don't see the problem. I ask because on the rare chance my pet dies, I don't look at his skill,stats, because it doesn't matter. They still destroy mobs, and that's without using a meta pet.
As for wanting perma stat loss for reds. It really shows how little you know about this game. In fact. I encourage staff PLEASE add in perma statloss for reds AT DEATH, fuck all the head turn in noise. Watch how fast that 1-2 reds turn into 5-10 reds, which then leads to a drastic drop in players on both sides, and all that time you spent on your meta is now useless becaue the server died.
Why you people can't get that simple concept through your head makes no sense to me. Then again we're arguing about pet statloss which really doesn't affect you one bit.
I'm done. I can only repeat the same advice to you idiots for so long.
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Adramelech
Master
Actually pet stat loss in it's current form was added in. I don't want more. I just want it to go back to how it was.
MZ3K
Grandmaster
People will go to the best (i.e. least shitty) spots that they can go. Skipping the place where they would go entails that the person has to go somewhere shittier.
Kilike
Grandmaster
I have one, they're cheap,and fun, but my tamer doesn't need a meta dragon,steed etc either. Like I said I use my beetle and mare, and I don't have to pay attention except to decide recall or fight. I do just fine.
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God.RG
Grandmaster
This balances the fact that you have meta pets that insta kill.
Tl;dr tamers make more money than any class and are also a top pvp template but tamers don't want to buy THREE SKILL SCROLLS when their pets die
LAWL
Imo remove pet stat COMPLETELY. But also remove pet summon balls. There.
MZ3K
Grandmaster
I get how a guy who thinks that time is irrelevant (are you employed?) could see it that way.
As far as I can tell red dexxers are the one's being catered to. Minimal grind time, ******** advantages in PKing, every deterrent being axed (bounty hunters, etc.)
God.RG
Grandmaster
Every deterrent? You only listed one.. Lemme help you with more: pots, protection, bandages, mini heal, UNLIMITED FUCKING RUNNING.
Kilike
Grandmaster
Read my fucking post, where I talk about farming.
Better yet. Fuck it. Here's my farming spots that I quickly bounce between.
All the titan locations.
All the blood ele locations, including greater bloods
Artic OLs
Ancient liche
White Wyrms.
If multiple motm locations, those are added into another book that gets used.
I think there's another spawn I do too but I'll have to log in to see. That's what I run purely for gold. Changes if I'm looking for leather etc.
Also sit in khaldun from time to time on my bard archer, and I stay till my pack beetle is full or I have to get out.
Tldr man the fuck up you pussies.
All my posts give you enough advice to make tons of money and avoid/live through ganks.
100k an hour isn't hard to do.
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Kilike
Grandmaster
Holy Fuck. I actually wasted time on a reply to you with advice and you're bitching about fucking dexxers as a tamer? You've got to be kidding me. You're trolling right? A tamer crying about pk dexxer.... I..... I seriously can't even.... What? That's free loot for you, if you get your head out of your ass.
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Adramelech
Master
God.RG
Grandmaster
Wahhhh I can't darn shame 5 or deceit 4 for an hour without seeing a red :'''''((((
REMOVE PET STAT LOSS AND PET SUMMONING BALLS
REMOVE PET STAT LOSS AND PET SUMMONING BALLS
God.RG
Grandmaster
Check his post history for the lol's
Kilike
Grandmaster
I don't know if I can handle the over load of his crying. This thread alone is too much.
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Adramelech
Master
Works for me. Only that gets a good bit of dono for the server so probably not the best option. I would even go further as to say that if you want to res your own pets stat loss free that you need to have GM vet, lore, and taming. This would help curb some pvp templates.