Fix Explosion Pots

[eric_azria]

smh

 

[Drake Roberts]

Actually here's a better idea - lock up your shit so it doesn't get stolen. If you have to make a server side change -- fix tinker trapped boxes.

Most thieves are using this script at champ spawns to go after power scrolls. The moment that ps drops, if that script is running and they are within a tile of you, that PS is now theirs. That is bogus.. Same is being done to go after certain item types (specific reg types/bandages) in pvp situations, automatically. That is bs. If you can't see that there is an issue there with these types of automated scripts, I don't know what to tell you.

The suggestion you give is even worse.. and THAT is also something that needs to be fixed. If you have regs or any resources in a LOCKED container, then it should not only cut off complete access to thieves, but also from the owner of the container. That is how it was on OSI. You shouldn't be able to use regs and other resources from within a locked container that cuts off access to thieves, while it is still locked.

Basically you are suggesting that instead of them getting rid of this clearly fucked up scripting problem, players should use another fucked up game mechanic problem, to offset it.. smh

Removing UOSteam and/or Razor will only do two things: 1) Run off people from the shard and 2) punish the 90% of non-pvpers who use these programs to better their UOF experience through interface enhancements to an old ass game.

Server was flourishing and heavily populated when Steam was banned here.

 

[Experience]

1. People who don't play this server enough to know what's going on shouldn't comment.
2. this is 2014...not 1990's or early 2000's....try finding a way to log in to any free server outside using razor/steam. (that isn't also a 3rd party program)
3. Neither razor or Steam can scan your journal for the pot timer so the idea that it's a 1 button do-all script is fucking stupid.
4. Anyone who uses pots with even half a brain is using the 2 button hot-key system, which is very simple and more reliable than any 1 button script.
5. The best fix is going to be to tweak the mechanics to make it less infallible
6. the Steam ban last a VERY SHORT time span..

 

[halygon]

The suggestion you give is even worse.. and THAT is also something that needs to be fixed. If you have regs or any resources in a LOCKED container, then it should not only cut off complete access to thieves, but also from the owner of the container. That is how it was on OSI. You shouldn't be able to use regs and other resources from within a locked container that cuts off access to thieves, while it is still locked.

Basically you are suggesting that instead of them getting rid of this clearly fucked up scripting problem, players should use another fucked up game mechanic problem, to offset it.. smh.

I am not sure you have any clue how trapped boxes worked on OSI. If you did, then you would know that you don't lock them to use them as a theif deterrent. They work because they blow up the thief whenever he/she tries to snoop that box -- if they can't snoop it, then anything in it is unstealable. Period. It is broken on here because the trapped box will blow up on owner when they attempt to open it (armed or disarmed).

Server was flourishing and heavily populated when Steam was banned here.

You are just speculating as you do not have any definite data to back this up. For my side of the argument -- they sure as hell reinstated it after only a couple of weeks of being banned -- which tells me there was more than enough want from the players to get it back.

 

[eric_azria]

Server was flourishing and heavily populated when Steam was banned here.

Have to disagree with this one. A lot of pvpers who needed the crutch quit. PvP was not that populated in my opinion. As soon as they let it come back - people immediately returned to their crutch requiring ways. Auto heals, auto kick, you name it. That's why Adam and company worked hard to block all of these things.

Steams a nice client and way better than razor - but so much script potential with it. Look at all the idiots who speed hack, and have been caught multiple times doing it. This games too old for a lot of people to take too seriously these days.

 

[Drake Roberts]

I am not sure you have any clue how trapped boxes worked on OSI. If you did, then you would know that you don't lock them to use them as a theif deterrent. They work because they blow up the thief whenever he/she tries to snoop that box -- if they can't snoop it, then anything in it is unstealable. Period. It is broken on here because the trapped box will blow up on owner when they attempt to open it (armed or disarmed).

Seriously what are you talking about? You are rambling on about some shit that has nothing to do with anything.

I never said anything about trapped boxes. I said locked containers. On this server, you can cut off complete access to a thief by locking your shit up (as you suggested, to which I responded) in a LOCKED container. You can still use regs and resources within these locked containers, without first unlocking them.

You are just speculating as you do not have any definite data to back this up. For my side of the argument -- they sure as hell reinstated it after only a couple of weeks of being banned -- which tells me there was more than enough want from the players to get it back.

I was here and was among the players saying to lift the ban, and the number one reason was because we felt by doing so, these gimp players who had quit, would come back and create some pvp action.. and guys like azria and gore didn't mind them using scripts, cus the guys who left because of the ban sucked with or without steam regardless.. so it made no difference.

 

[Drake Roberts]

Have to disagree with this one. A lot of pvpers who needed the crutch quit. PvP was not that populated in my opinion. As soon as they let it come back - people immediately returned to their crutch requiring ways. Auto heals, auto kick, you name it. That's why Adam and company worked hard to block all of these things.

Steams a nice client and way better than razor - but so much script potential with it. Look at all the idiots who speed hack, and have been caught multiple times doing it. This games too old for a lot of people to take too seriously these days.

The server was the most populated it ever was at that time, at least it seemed that way.. and there was only one big group of bads really.. that quit because of the ban.. and I remember all of us saying for them to lift the ban cus those guys suck regardless and you guys wanted some mongbats to slaughter and these guys would at least attempt to pvp.

But if that is the case... bring back the Koreans.. Sure they use Easy UO but those guys suck completely, even with Easy UO... :/ smh

 

[halygon]

Seriously what are you talking about? You are rambling on about some shit that has nothing to do with anything.

I never said anything about trapped boxes. I said locked containers. On this server, you can cut off complete access to a thief by locking your shit up (as you suggested, to which I responded) in a LOCKED container. You can still use regs and resources within these locked containers, without first unlocking them.


I was here and was among the players saying to lift the ban, and the number one reason was because we felt by doing so, these gimp players who had quit, would come back and create some pvp action.. and guys like azria and gore didn't mind them using scripts, cus the guys who left because of the ban sucked with or without steam regardless.. so it made no difference.

No wonder I always have a headache after reading your threads.

-- You directly called down my tinker trap idea by going on about locked boxes... so... who's on a tangent there? I never said anything about locked boxes
-- So first you say that the shard was flourishing and now you are saying people left?

smh

 

[RaRae]

I know for one I won't play uo anymore if UOS gets removed it's the superior pvp program, I lag less and notice less chop significantly when I play with it.

Like I said using a macro will provide no advantages with pots.


As for thieves using scripts I could careless but that's because IDC about thieves all I got are pots and regs.

 

[Liberty]

Have to disagree with this one. A lot of pvpers who needed the crutch quit. PvP was not that populated in my opinion. As soon as they let it come back - people immediately returned to their crutch requiring ways. Auto heals, auto kick, you name it. That's why Adam and company worked hard to block all of these things.

Steams a nice client and way better than razor - but so much script potential with it. Look at all the idiots who speed hack, and have been caught multiple times doing it. This games too old for a lot of people to take too seriously these days.

I have not yet converted to steam yet but as someone who recently came back a month ago, I can honestly say that Steam is doing far more harm than good to the quality of life of the server.

Everything is automated. Alerts are given when champs are up or pets spawn. I was at the d3 mare spawn yesterday and it spawned right in front of me....within 5 seconds 2 people were there taming it. I'm not going to touch on the stealing problems as that has been covered. This is not UO.

I would rather go back to clicking pots and bandages and restocking my regs 1 by 1 then have the game primarily play itself. All of the recent problems have been caused by steam.

 

[Drake Roberts]

-- So first you say that the shard was flourishing and now you are saying people left?

smh

A group of gimps, such as yourself, left because of the steam ban. The server was still thriving at the time. The people who left however, were viewed as cannon fodder that would add to those who stayed, pvp experience.. and so the ban was lifted.

-- You directly called down my tinker trap idea by going on about locked boxes... so... who's on a tangent there? I never said anything about locked boxes

You had said that people needed to just "LOCK up your shit so it doesn't get stolen". I assumed you were talking about the bug where you can cut off access to thieves with a locked container, yet still use resources within the locked container without first unlocking it.

I never once commented on the other thing you said about server side changes to tinkered boxes.. Again.. You ramble on about random shit that has nothing to do with anything.. If you yourself know that tinkered boxes are bugged here, then obviously that wasn't the solution of "locking your shit up" that you were suggesting for people to do, who are being stolen from by automated scripters.. and your "solution" to those being stolen from is what I was commenting on.. Nothing at all to do with your comments on tinkered boxes and server side changes..

 

[halygon]

Everything is automated. Alerts are given when champs are up or pets spawn. I was at the d3 mare spawn yesterday and it spawned right in front of me....within 5 seconds 2 people were there taming it. I'm not going to touch on the stealing problems as that has been covered. This is not UO.

This is done through Razor also. Anyone who played on uoforever within the last year and was in factions will be familar with the TB faction notes sent out when an enemy faction member entered into the TB base.

This sucks but is due to 3rd party programs in general and not UOS specifically. On a side note, the rare spawns here are inherently flawed due to precise timers as opposed to random ones. This allows for scripting to be done and only a couple folks will ever be able to get the super rare spawns. Sounds like a simple change could fix this though.

 

[Drake Roberts]

This is done through Razor also.

Alerts being sent out, maybe.. Everything being automated, isn't. Steam and Razor are not on par with each other. Comparing things like this and ignoring the sophisticated automated scripts steam is capable of (Razor is incapable of), shows just how biased your arguments are. I am glad that Shane and the staff now have one of these scripts to look at for themselves, and have already come out and said they are doing something to handle this problem ASAP.

What is shitty is that the same people using these crutch scripts are the same people complaining about the staff not being fair.. Calling people tyrants and shit because they get busted afk stealing with automated steam scripts at the docks entrance.

 

[Experience]

Can we please just shut this short bus down? Staffers please...

 

[wetbreasts]

I like UOSteam a lot, but i only use the standard features you'd find on any of them. I also find that the game is less choppy and shit when using steam over razor, but I wish those guys had never created it, because they only ended up hurting the UO community. I wish someone had just updated razor.

Anyways, i didnt expect anything to change, but it is kind of disappointing that something so easily abused is so influential and even encouraged here.

 

[halygon]

Alerts being sent out, maybe.. Everything being automated, isn't. Steam and Razor are not on par with each other. Comparing things like this and ignoring the sophisticated automated scripts steam is capable of (Razor is incapable of), shows just how biased your arguments are. I am glad that Shane and the staff now have one of these scripts to look at for themselves, and have already come out and said they are doing something to handle this problem ASAP.

What is shitty is that the same people using these crutch scripts are the same people complaining about the staff not being fair.. Calling people tyrants and shit because they get busted afk stealing with automated steam scripts at the docks entrance.

Yup Alerts -- that's what I was referring to, which is the situation that @eric_azria mentioned with the rare pet spawns.

UOSteam and Razor are definitely not on par with each other because saying so would be like saying Win2k is as good as Win7. There may be alot of people that prefer Win2k, but Win7 is newer, more compatible, and has many enhanced features.

If the staff want to know what UOSteam can do, all they have to do is ask me, I know exactly what can and cannot be done with UOSteam (or AssistUO back before it changed).

It's just comical to me that everyone is up in arms about these things, when they have been around in Razor and now more advanced in UOSteam for over a year (much longer with Razor and the Razor-Bots created with it).

It comes to a point where you are not going to win technologically and need to approach the situations you dislike with a more creative stance. Like I said before, if stealing is such an issue, make it harder to steal -- aka tinker trapped boxes being fixed (just an example). If rare spawns are problems cause of announcement bot-players, randomize the timers instead of being static. There are many fixes that will make the advanced technology moot and without taking it away from those that do not abuse it. UOSteam is good and is a great piece of software for UOF players to use and enjoy. We do not need to nerf (or ban) it and Razor, when there are other options that work for everyone.

All I am saying is be open to options that work and take into account everyone.

 

[Bunnky]

+1 for more EXPLOITS being disabled.

 

[Bunnky]

Also, why does this thread seem more popular than a 1 page thread about Stealing scripts, yet has less GM input? The explo pot scripting has been a problem FOREVER, yet the *somewhat* newly talked about stealing script is getting SLAM BANNED. I just don't see logic. Surely, a explo pot script being tweaked would be easier than a steal by type?

But don't listen to me.

 

[Drake Roberts]

Yup Alerts -- that's what I was referring to, which is the situation that @eric_azria mentioned with the rare pet spawns.

It was Liberty, not Azria, and at the very beginning of the post they mentioned how "Everything is automated". You completely ignored that and went on to compare the much more trivial alerts.

UOSteam and Razor are definitely not on par with each other because saying so would be like saying Win2k is as good as Win7. There may be alot of people that prefer Win2k, but Win7 is newer, more compatible, and has many enhanced features.

So I guess by that comparison, Easyuo would be the next generation windows that comes out next year?

If the staff want to know what UOSteam can do, all they have to do is ask me, I know exactly what can and cannot be done with UOSteam (or AssistUO back before it changed).

What is comical is that you denied that Steam was capable of doing all this automated shit in the thread that Darkarna started about this very same auto steal script, and the staff have seen for themselves that you were either wrong, or a complete liar.

It's just comical to me that everyone is up in arms about these things, when they have been around in Razor and now more advanced in UOSteam for over a year (much longer with Razor and the Razor-Bots created with it).

Automated stealing scripts like the 67 line script that is being used on steam right now by most uosteam thieves, has not been around on razor. Razor is no where near capable of doing a fraction of the shit that the 67 line auto-steal script does ( at least not on this server with the restrictions that are in place). Razor doesn't even have full capability on this server because it has been limited to fit the type of rule set and game play Shane envisioned on his server.

It comes to a point where you are not going to win technologically and need to approach the situations you dislike with a more creative stance. Like I said before, if stealing is such an issue, make it harder to steal -- aka tinker trapped boxes being fixed (just an example).

Like I said, your solution doesn't solve jack shit. This doesn't solve the automated scripts being used at champ spawns. It doesn't solve shit. You are saying for people to use tinker trapped boxes, but that is completely irrelevant to the problem.

Shane doesn't want 1 button automated scripting on his server. That is why he banned steam in the first place. This isn't a matter of players taking extra precautions and being less careless. This is a matter of people using scripts, because they are gimps, that give them a huge unfair advantage and turns playing the game into pushing a single button (turning terrible/mediocre thieves into "legends"). Otherwise, just take extra precautions against people dual client pvping with easy uo. I guess just stay str'd up when you see those dual client syncs. /rolleyes

All I am saying is be open to options that work and take into account everyone.

Trust me, I've taken you into account and believe it or not.. I don't want to throw the baby out with the bath water because I rather not lose all the gimps just like you.. Unfortunately there does not appear to be a way to neutralize these easy uo jr. scripts that are being used on uosteam, without throwing out the baby all together.

 

[halygon]

What is comical is that you denied that Steam was capable of doing all this automated shit in the thread that Darkarna started about this very same auto steal script, and the staff have seen for themselves that you were either wrong, or a complete liar.

Please don't continue to derail this thread by flaming any further. If you really want to forum PvP, open a thread on the rants and flames section and I will be happy to dirt you.