dexxer talisman cooldown time (poll)

is 15 minutes too long?

  • yes

    Votes: 30 83.3%

  • no

    Votes: 6 16.7%
  • Total voters
    36
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maddp

Journeyman
lol i seem to make others mad did i kill A. you B.your pets or C.both? or did you roll in with a 6 man kill me and have me come back and lol you?
 
Rusty Hart

Rusty Hart

Grandmaster
crazy-horse said:
Well, a beserler, by definition is a guy that just goes wild in combat, and generally little on no armor. I was thinking that, since stamina is directly linked to that ability, that the beserking talisman would at least reduce stamina loss, or maybe even generate a little stamina to sort of mimick a beserker. But theres no such thing, so a beserler doing massive damage until hit hard and then wimping out is sorta meh.
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i like the idea of stamina gain with the talisman good point. fighting naked you take big hits that drains stamina instantly.

maddp said:
waah i have to wait 15 mins for my talisman to kick in... how bout you dont die and you wont have problems its not like you cant kill stuff without it quit your crying its a gift not a right to be able to slaughter spawn on a dexxer which ive been doing since ive been here i think it should be 30 minute cool down teach yourselvs not to die and escape massive ganks which i do often once and awhile i get caught and its 90% factions that make it so i cant escape
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i too slaughter mobs its awesome, im not saying that there doesnt need to be a cool down as stated above by @kurtis who makes a good point.

i think 15 minutes is too excessive is all.
 
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maddp

Journeyman
exactly why 15 minutes inst long enough you can sitll kill mobs wothout it its not as if you cha is weaker stop being so spoiled
 
Kilike

Kilike

Grandmaster
wil3ur said:
I'm still looking for vanqs to charge the damn thing, so I'm personally against this whole thing. Someone give me 28 vanqs.
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I've got vanqs I can sell you. They're on the Vanq+ Vendor Right outside of Cove's gate.
 
Kilike

Kilike

Grandmaster
kurtis said:
I think it's fine.

My understanding was that it's not just to mimic tamer downtime; it's to add some risk to your char. It forces careful and deliberate use of the template, and proper equipping, not just kamikaze-ing in with a weap and aids and then constantly dying and ressing (especially at champs or events for example).

I'll give you an example. @wreckognize does the Arch Daemon fully geared (pots, regs, armor, etc.) on his dexer. Most others (including myself) show up with a weapon, a few bandaids, and maybe some refresh pots. Because he plays his char well and rarely dies, his talisman is still active and he is always top of the charts, sometimes by a large margin. He deserves it. But that kind of deliberate use wouldn't really be rewarded if you could just send wave after wave of your corpse into the daemon with barely any equipment and still get talisman bonus.

I don't see it as a "time" factor but rather a risk factor. The risk for tamers is not downtime, it's pet skill loss upon death of pets. But they aren't going to drop a dexers skills. So there's a cooldown on the talisman. 15 minutes is plenty fair IMO
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I understand where you're coming from however there are flaws with your argument. (know that I don't know you, and I don't know if you have a meta dexxer, but I'm guessing you don't).

For starters you said it's to add some risk to your char. I don't think you really understand that word. Having a timer after rez does not add any further "risk", it only serves to annoy. In most cases (relics aside) The tali's damage is meh (unless using a slayer wep). However that extra 15mins -restock time, of no xp makes playing at all a waste. (yes you could argue we get loot etc, but if you don't have it maxed. IT IS just that. A waste of time).

As for risk. How much more risk is really needed?
I fight with zero armor on( because i want the best gains possible, as do others),
A Vanq Kat (because I move so much, slayers only slow me down, unless i want to carry multiple)(Obviously i don't want to carry multiple). The amount of pots you burn through is insane.(I carry 80pots on me not including my DP)(again because I move around a lot and i tend to not die much).
One second of lag, One misstep, and you can easily die. Accidentally pull two casters and get blasted? Well 15mins to gain xp.

The timer needs to go. It serves zero purpose what so ever. Tamers don't have this timer and don't say it takes 15mins to get pets back up(if they died) and restock regs/aids and an instrument. It takes longer to restock potions for most then a tamers death. (I need to get a butler lol) Tamers already get massive meat shields who top charts, provo, the ability to gain xp in a group (we can't), the choice to carry pots or not(Not a choice for meta dexxers, it's a must), and to top it off; no 15min wait to regain xp.(yes they lose xp if their pet dies, but their pet has a lower chance to die then dexxers do)(and if they die and their pet lives, they lose nothing).

Before it's said. Yes yes, I understand. Taming is slow to level, scrolls are expensive, require a meta stone, and summoning ball. Yes they should have those perks over dexxers, but it also takes a lot more effort to top charts, and not die (specially for those of us that are melee meta).
 
Rusty Hart

Rusty Hart

Grandmaster
well put killke, i died to lag earlier tonight it was only a three second spike but i was pulling one dragon from a group of dragons and got dropped quick.

i BURN threw refresh and heal pots like noones buisness as well. i have a high level talisman so i drop shit fast, i forgot about the low levels lol.

the only point i see in a cooldown would be switching between the talismans one for another i guess. its still just pvm though i dont see why its needed!
 
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maddp

Journeyman
rusty you died to spawn cause your trash ...you mad brah? exactly like i said spoiled kids... i burn through pots LOL
 
Lexington

Lexington

Grandmaster
maddp said:
exactly why 15 minutes inst long enough you can sitll kill mobs wothout it its not as if you cha is weaker stop being so spoiled
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I couldn't care less about the benefit as I'm not anywhere near close to level 10... my issue is you can't gain EXP for that same 15 minutes. I know this sounds childish but If I can't gain EXP I'm simply logging out.
 
Dj Double D

Dj Double D

Grandmaster
Yeah seems flamers in this thread arent grasping the real issue here and instead are typing 'waah waah' when really they arent getting the gist of the thread and need to stfu..
Timer has 0 purpose. Get rid of it. Whole point of the meta dexxer tali was to get ppl to use it and I know lots of people who got excited when it was released but are now not bothering. This timer is probably the #1 complaint. So if youd like to argue why the timer should or shouldnt be removed, we'd value your input. If all you have to add is bullshit, go elsewhere plz?
 
crazy-horse

crazy-horse

Master
My original post about this was that I felt 15 minutes is ok, just don't let getting PK'd cause a 15 minute delay.
I would like to amend that after reading this thread and talking to some people. I have a luxury most don't have, and I made my suggestion through my own eyes and what would be fine for me is out of line for , probably, most.
I have time to live on this game. Most have maybe an hour or two a say. 15 minutes is a drop in the bucket to me, but to most its an awful lot.
so... first, let's see if those who put the 15 minute wait in place will explain the reasoning. If we know that, for certain.. not just guesswork, we can get a better idea how to make the plan work for the masses. As of right now, with the limited info available, I'd say cut it down to 5 minutes, if not get rid of it completely.
 
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