Veteran player returning, someone fill me in on things

[Karl Sagan]

Apparently it snoops first, then steals. Can't use it without snooping I think. @eppy

I heard of one that just range checks and if in range steals, no snoop. Idk tho I've never used one

If it's required to snoop then yea a delay between snoop/steal would be great

then we could get rid of the stupid powerscroll stealing mechanics that blow so much dick

 

[Darkarna]

I heard of one that just range checks and if in range steals, no snoop. Idk tho I've never used one

If it's required to snoop then yea a delay between snoop/steal would be great

then we could get rid of the stupid powerscroll stealing mechanics that blow so much dick

There must be a few versions then, both completely ruin the thief. The world has become so lazy

 

[SpyderBite]

Yes I have noticed the pocket of Trammel on top of the bank. I think that was a terrible move that takes a massive move against thieves and the spirit of UO, and while I'm not going to let it deter me from playing here, it completely rules out any possibility of my guild coming back.

Yah. But W. Brit was never really a target for the true thieves. 80% guard whack is hardly an incentive when 0% guard whack is available in dungeons and around vendors.

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[Halfgrin]

The trammel zone in Brit Bank is pure and complete bullshit. You want risk vs. reward? Good, play the game. Plenty of others banks. I love this server, but the no cuts, safe bank and catering to certain guilds over others needs to go...ten years ago.

 

[MegaHz]

Steal scripts don't affect smart players. They affect players who stand around (or run around) with valuable crap I'm thier packs, too lazy to bank.

I've been playing a thief for the better part of 20 years without stealing scripts. Good old last object / last target works pretty well. While I don't think the current piece of trammel that is West Brit bank is a good idea, I think no steal / no recall zones in small rooms (6x6) inside all of the banks would be fine.

 

[girana]

Steal scripts don't affect smart players.

you got no clue

 

[Shane]

I cant even begin to fathom what would even compel you to believe that. I'm going to draw from experience I've had from past servers, go on a limb here, and assume you made this change at the request of a vocal minority, that vocal minority likely being a small group, or an individual, of massive, large sum, big donators. Them, or banksitters.

This demographic being the type of person to buy a large amount of donation goods (here being coins), and, while at the bank, trading and converting it to other goods and keeping it or selling it, or just outright selling it. They get everything they want and need from doing this, dont venture out of town much other than to their house and friends houses, and, for all intents and purposes, dont play the game. They dont partake in any of the "formula" that this game is based on, that being risk vs reward.

I would imagine what would have compelled them to demand this change would be the possibility of them being the big vendor house/mall conglomerates I see here. I could see them being drained of reagents while they gate at the bank, and, instead of either negotiating with thieves, taking the easy steps needed to protect themselves from that, or accepting the fact that they are playing a game where they can almost always literally lose anything at any given time if it isnt blessed, getting pissy, stamping their little feet, and crying to the higher ups about it to get it changed. Which ultimately cuts into the "spirit of the game" and undermines what the vast majority of us came here for: the hardcore, Felucia, old school Ultima Online experience.

Im telling you right now, you've really only benefited a small, select group of people, and have undermined an entire facet/playstyle of the game to do it, one that's really been largely disenfranchised everywhere else by the "trammel mindset" they've been running from and the same mentality that drove everyone to a Felucia rulset in the first place: Thieves.


In fact, lets see right now where the community currently stands on this. http://www.uoforum.com/threads/should-the-britain-safe-trading-zone.78073/

That's why you're posting as a user/player and not as a owner.

I don't expect people to fully understand why we do certain things here, but after 3 years solid of being the most active server with the most players that is consistently still to this day bringing in new players. It is hard to argue that we don't know what we are doing....

We didn't get here by listening or catering to the vocal minority. We have nothing to prove anymore. We are done with everything that is the "UO Community" and are expanding way past that. We are drawing outside the lines, we are playing the long game and we are 20 steps ahead.

I understand that you take from your experience on previous servers, and i do exactly that as well since I've played all the major ones in the last 10+ years. That change was done by me personally and no one even knew or had input on it. Since it has been implemented it has done nothing but positive things for the server. Again, these are facts.

As much as you think we've benefited a small group, you are wrong.
When i was a player i thought just like you thought, i would of agreed with your statement until i was blue in the face, but until you see both sides of the fence and how many players join, where they go, what they do, and how quick they either stay logged in or just log off and never log in again.... Your entire thoughts are based off just personal experiences... YOUR personal experiences.

All in all, we know what we are doing here, if we didn't, we wouldn't be here and wouldn't be growing every day.
Hard to argue facts.

Over all stealing and thieving should be more than scouring the WBB.
We plan on building the entire thief system to be much more than it is now. Check the AMA that we recently did.