Bromista
Grandmaster
Take some motes and do the math if you don't wanna take my word for it.
I did.
Fractions of a pt.
I did.
Fractions of a pt.
Level 7 meta stats
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BEN!
Grandmaster
welp lets do the math on spell damage
oh yeah stats don't affect it and its the same for any max skill meta, so "for the record" that is wrong.... no idea how to use motes to calculate melee damage but can tell you it is a noticeable difference.
would you like to trade meta pets with me?
Bromista
Grandmaster
Mmm my meta is my baby, one of few charcoal hue hatched from a snake and we've been through a lot together. Really close to lvl 10 QS, all other damage relics maxxed.
Wouldn't touch yours with a ten foot pole.
In all honesty the relic makes the meta, but what I said applies about as much for metas as it does for any animal. Your one example of QS seeing a substantial impact is kind of absurd. The obsession with stats is absurd. Do I prefer nice stats? Of course, always trade up if you can. For metas it's a drop in the bucket, but what matters most are additional hit points and mana pool. After that is STR and spell damage, which you want high INT anyway but the actual boost in damage you get from the increase is negligible.
If you can't bother to crunch the numbers then you cannot tell me it's a substantial difference because all you have to go on is anecdotal evidence and not hard facts.
I actually did it out on paper. Compared min and max of fire breath, melee, and eb/fs.
Firebreath was the most complicated. I compared them at full health, half health, and 10% for both max and min hits/str.
Fractions. Of. A. Pt.
Wouldn't touch yours with a ten foot pole.
In all honesty the relic makes the meta, but what I said applies about as much for metas as it does for any animal. Your one example of QS seeing a substantial impact is kind of absurd. The obsession with stats is absurd. Do I prefer nice stats? Of course, always trade up if you can. For metas it's a drop in the bucket, but what matters most are additional hit points and mana pool. After that is STR and spell damage, which you want high INT anyway but the actual boost in damage you get from the increase is negligible.
If you can't bother to crunch the numbers then you cannot tell me it's a substantial difference because all you have to go on is anecdotal evidence and not hard facts.
I actually did it out on paper. Compared min and max of fire breath, melee, and eb/fs.
Firebreath was the most complicated. I compared them at full health, half health, and 10% for both max and min hits/str.
Fractions. Of. A. Pt.
BEN!
Grandmaster
dude you didn't even think your statement thru (spell damage) much less do any tests for it. Also i wasn't aware that UO damage was in fractions... what formula are you using for your calculations and how do you have access to it?
You could have just said its "i doubt it's that big of a difference you have a lvl 7 meta pet be happy" and had a very good point but instead you made up misinformation "for the record". Why do that? could it be because you got a great roll and allowing people to change theirs devalues yours? for the record don't you complain a lot about others using misinformation to benefit themselves?
how is my example of QS seeing a substantial impact absurd? seems pretty logical. STR has way more of an effect than INT
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BEN!
Grandmaster
also pretty sure you can take it a step further and say it's the only charcoal meta "hatched from a snake"
Slice N Dice
Grandmaster
http://www.uoguide.com/Pet_Training
"Strength
Every time a creature gains a point of Strength it's maximum Hit Points will also increase by one. This also determines your pet's base damage output.
A pet's ability to Wrestle improves it's chance to hit a target, while Tactics improves the amount of damage it can actually deal. To improve in these two skills your pet must fight something within about 25 points of it's own skill ranges.
Anatomy on the other hand can be trained by fighting against a target of any skill level. It tends to raise at a much slower rate, however. It improves your pet's chance of dealing critical hits.
"
All that considered, the difference between 825 strength and 800 strength is not significant compared to the difference between 100 and 75.
I'll tame two drakes with different strength numbers and do some averages. Then we will know.
ill be back with the results in 30 mins or so
"Strength
Every time a creature gains a point of Strength it's maximum Hit Points will also increase by one. This also determines your pet's base damage output.
A pet's ability to Wrestle improves it's chance to hit a target, while Tactics improves the amount of damage it can actually deal. To improve in these two skills your pet must fight something within about 25 points of it's own skill ranges.
Anatomy on the other hand can be trained by fighting against a target of any skill level. It tends to raise at a much slower rate, however. It improves your pet's chance of dealing critical hits.
"
All that considered, the difference between 825 strength and 800 strength is not significant compared to the difference between 100 and 75.
I'll tame two drakes with different strength numbers and do some averages. Then we will know.
ill be back with the results in 30 mins or so
Slice N Dice
Grandmaster
I tested 2 drakes
one with 424 str and one with 417
Killed grizzly bears with both and recorded 9 attacks from each drake
physical attacks only
Drake with str 424: tactics : 73
11+15+16+16+15+14+13+15+16= 131 damage total
Drake with str 411: tactics : 75
12+11+13+16+14+9+12+17+14= 118 damage total
Did this a few different times and the difference wasn't huge but was noticeable. Surprised me
Stats matter
one with 424 str and one with 417
Killed grizzly bears with both and recorded 9 attacks from each drake
physical attacks only
Drake with str 424: tactics : 73
11+15+16+16+15+14+13+15+16= 131 damage total
Drake with str 411: tactics : 75
12+11+13+16+14+9+12+17+14= 118 damage total
Did this a few different times and the difference wasn't huge but was noticeable. Surprised me
Stats matter
Bromista
Grandmaster
RNG and 9 melee attacks on a bear does not mean shit in the grand scheme, I'm sorry to say.
What I do see though is that the min and max hits are both the same, which is ultimately what the discussion is about so I'd like to think that helps the stats don't matter argument. You'll need a larger sample if you wanna talk averages, and more specimens of both tames and targets. I think you'll find these results to be unusual.
But you know what? You actually did something instead of sit there and talk out of your ass like BEN! is. I mean yes, the kid has put a lack of critical thought on display every chance he gets so it's really no surprise, but to think he's actually calling me out for being wrong when he has absolutely no idea what is happening right now. It's though he thinks I didn't sit down and do some real nerdy shit with a pen and a piece of paper one day.
Dude, look at me. I'm a fucking nerd. You can take my word for it.
What I do see though is that the min and max hits are both the same, which is ultimately what the discussion is about so I'd like to think that helps the stats don't matter argument. You'll need a larger sample if you wanna talk averages, and more specimens of both tames and targets. I think you'll find these results to be unusual.
But you know what? You actually did something instead of sit there and talk out of your ass like BEN! is. I mean yes, the kid has put a lack of critical thought on display every chance he gets so it's really no surprise, but to think he's actually calling me out for being wrong when he has absolutely no idea what is happening right now. It's though he thinks I didn't sit down and do some real nerdy shit with a pen and a piece of paper one day.
Dude, look at me. I'm a fucking nerd. You can take my word for it.
wreckognize
Grandmaster
has anyone tried going from level 6 to level 7 over and over to see if the stats change each time it levels?
lollo
Grandmaster
How would that be possibile?
wreckognize
Grandmaster
cant u just let it die as soon as it levels, wont it lose a level?
lollo
Grandmaster
No it won't
lollo
Grandmaster
Nothing, happens, you will still have the lvl 7 but with less control
BEN!
Grandmaster
man fuck off
i said it makes a noticeable difference because i see it on scoreboards after doing warlock and things with better maxed out lvl 7 metas
your the one pretending you're doing some intense calculations to prove otherwise. Its a fact, you do a champ spawn with a lvl 10 Quicksilver your pet is melee attacking thousands of times and it adds up to quite alot. why are you trying to deny common sense?
Bromista
Grandmaster
Yeah like 8k score, right?
BEN!
Grandmaster
between 8k and 20k depending on how long a champ spawn takes
Bromista
Grandmaster
Right.
Couldn't be any other factors involved either. I mean you guys are hitting the same spawn the same number of times with full health pets and stopping to compare the numbers, right?
I am willing to bet the control you were using in your experiments was very strict.
Couldn't be any other factors involved either. I mean you guys are hitting the same spawn the same number of times with full health pets and stopping to compare the numbers, right?
I am willing to bet the control you were using in your experiments was very strict.
BEN!
Grandmaster
at least i didn't just make up facts "for the record"
if you have a friend with a max relic meta thats 20 less str and you kill a few bosses/champ spawns with them you will see the difference pretty easily. i don't need a scientific method. Or just use common sense and stop posting bullshit just to argue.