Faction PVP / Murderers, the original sin of every shard (from an old player)

[CAPTUN AUSTRALIA]

"Player driven solutions" It's easy to say, but with the current UOF population, do you really think it will ever happen?

Without a serious incentive that comes from the owners, I doubt it? To many here have and or play reds. You need an incentive for them to play blue anti PKs. Someone had a great idea a few weeks ago. I think it came from another server I don't remember but it was interesting.

*SMH*

Seriously, where are the reds?

Players like you @Lexington are so bad that you would literally die to a journeyman fencer, then still cry to the dev team that pks need a nerf.

I rarely get pked. Yesterday i did for once, as i was multi-clienting and EQMS got my tamer at a spawn, but i had my revenge on my red to a few of them since poison elementals managed to kill/separate them (lol!). Again, a player driven solution - i saw them getting ass fucked by spawn, got my red alchy macer back in and raped a few rather than crying: "a bunch of pks flamestriked me, wahhhhhhh, perma statloss, wahhhhh".

Apart from that, i was pked maybe 2-3 weeks ago by 4 odd stealth archers with a blue gater. You know what i did - I ALMOST WET MYSELF IN LAUGHTER! It was hilarious that this random attack actually happened and i instant died when i was killing a paragon air elemental (i have to kill paragons with good statues lol). I think it was snickle fritz and co, and i say hats off to the creative and surprise kill! Being blue on that char, i lose nothing, but meaningless pet statloss. Trust me, it is nothing compared to the 48 hours i get on my pks. FYI, i came back in OP'd runic leather ar/protection with my pets ressed in under 2 minutes for revenge, but they had left =( - again, another player solution.

I am so sick of the whiny blues who have only ever played one way, and beyond that never tried to improve themselves.

I do most aspects of this game from pvp, pking and most tram shit. I know the game in and out. Instead of crying because i fail to improve, i adapt... Most of you who consistently whine have still yet to break out of young status after 15 years, which i find amusing but disturbing in many ways.

 

[FrogX]

Players like you @Lexington are so bad that you would literally die to a journeyman fencer, then still cry to the dev team that pks need a nerf.

Exactly!

Apart from that, i was pked maybe 2-3 weeks ago by 4 odd stealth archers with a blue gater. You know what i did - I ALMOST WET MYSELF IN LAUGHTER! It was hilarious that this random attack actually happened and i instant died when i was killing a paragon air elemental (i have to kill paragons with good statues lol). I think it was snickle fritz and co, and i say hats off to the creative and surprise kill! Being blue on that char, i lose nothing, but meaningless pet statloss. Trust me, it is nothing compared to the 48 hours i get on my pks. FYI, i came back in OP'd runic leather ar/protection with my pets ressed in under 2 minutes for revenge, but they had left =( - again, another player solution.

LOL same shit happened to me right after I replied to this thread, I thought it was ironic right after I claimed to rarely die that 3 players found a way to insta-kill me by waiting hidden for god-knows-how-long. And even still I could have possibly escaped with a pre-emptive reveal, probably not in this situation but it was still a pretty hilarious way to die.

I lost a bow I paid 1k for and whatever the paragon dropped, BOO HOO let me make a thread about it rallying for perma stat loss!

 

[Bromista]

Dear diary, I died but I had this really convenient excuse but then I triumphed. Made a statue reference then I patted myself on the back for being a well-rounded player (I seriously lol'ed at that part)

All that's missing is a 'lion and the lamb' reference and we're all set.

 

[Stefano]

You see, all those posts make sense only because you are free to use both a blue and a red chars, even on different accounts. Which is something that gives you the chance to not have to worry about consequences of your actions.

48 hours stop on a red means 48 hours that you'll use to farm 100k gold just to re-equip your pk. Rinse and Repeat.

This is perfectly legit here, and please, I hate the term "whining" since I don't think I'm doing nothing like that. I'm just saying that probably, 99% of PKs in this shard, If they were forced to have a single account, there would probably be way less pks in this shard. It's too easy to have a PK here, since you can log with other 2 clients to avoid death or in any case, to do something else than staying hidden somewhere to avoid "justice", like a true criminal should do - if he really wanted to play a criminal, in my point of view.

Purely academic discussion, you see. I'm not asking devs to take any action. I know all will remain the same, I like this place and I still play here

 

[CAPTUN AUSTRALIA]

Dear diary, I died but I had this really convenient excuse but then I triumphed. Made a statue reference then I patted myself on the back for being a well-rounded player (I seriously lol'ed at that part)

All that's missing is a 'lion and the lamb' reference and we're all set.

Looks like I have an international stalker.

I'm so glad that you're too poor to travel to Australia to track me down with a stun gun and rape kit.

**That and Australia doesn't let wild beasts past customs...

 

[FrogX]

You see, all those posts make sense only because you are free to use both a blue and a red chars, even on different accounts. Which is something that gives you the chance to not have to worry about consequences of your actions.

48 hours stop on a red means 48 hours that you'll use to farm 100k gold just to re-equip your pk. Rinse and Repeat.

How can you seriously even complain about it if they are Solo PKing with 100k worth of loot on them, go find them and get revenge because that's money to be made! Plus even if they spend the entire 48 hours downtime just to farm up on a blue & to refuel their red, either way they are still losing all of that time next time they die! Do you actually think people who mainly play as a murderer actually enjoy being forced back onto one of their blue characters?

This is perfectly legit here, and please, I hate the term "whining" since I don't think I'm doing nothing like that. I'm just saying that probably, 99% of PKs in this shard, If they were forced to have a single account, there would probably be way less pks in this shard. It's too easy to have a PK here, since you can log with other 2 clients to avoid death or in any case, to do something else than staying hidden somewhere to avoid "justice", like a true criminal should do - if he really wanted to play a criminal, in my point of view.

I assume your referencing reds using their blue on another client to gate them in & out of dungeons to avoid having to wait on the criminal timer for recalling, but again I don't really see how you can have an issue with this as a blue unless you fancy the idea of having to walk your ghost all the way back to a healer every time you die.

Another point to be made here is that gate they are using to "avoid death" will take you right to the best place you are guaranteed to find them.

 

[Bromista]

Looks like I have an international stalker.

I'm so glad that you're too poor to travel to Australia to track me down with a stun gun and rape kit.

**That and Australia doesn't let wild beasts past customs...

You are a terrible UO player.

I guess you are sick of people who only play one way because you are well-versed in spamming 'all kill' to fight players as well as playing click and follow on a dexer. A real dynamic game you have there.

As Dave said, ting ting GG.

And I mean, look at you. You already have nothing worthwhile to say about UO so you take it right to RL like you and your vagina brother always do. You guys are very, very weak-minded.

Sometimes I think I wouldn't mind visiting Australia because some parts of it seem decent. Nice neighborhood but they really let the riff-raff move in. I'll pass, thanks.

 

[CAPTUN AUSTRALIA]

You are a terrible UO player.

I guess you are sick of people who only play one way because you are well-versed in spamming 'all kill' to fight players as well as playing click and follow on a dexer. A real dynamic game you have there.

As Dave said, ting ting GG.

And I mean, look at you. You already have nothing worthwhile to say about UO so you take it right to RL like you and your vagina brother always do. You guys are very, very weak-minded.

Sometimes I think I wouldn't mind visiting Australia because some parts of it seem decent. Nice neighborhood but they really let the riff-raff move in. I'll pass, thanks.

How would i spam 'all kill' to fight players when my only tamer is blue and 99% of the shard is blue?

I have as many alchy dexers as i do mages. Dexers tbh are useless in faction pvp, given the gm running tactics from the uoforever players/******** AR bonus from high leather. But how would you know? The main role of my dexers (3x fencer/sword mage/alchy dexers out of 11 pks) is dungeon pking, purely for disrupt. Every time i get into a 'being ganked from blue zerg' pvp, i try and get new chars that can compete effectively. Again though, what would you know?

Take it right to irl? This is why trying to boast about your "real life" or lack of and posting moronic selfies over the internet to complete strangers is counter productive, especially on wizard forums. Did i ask you to tell me about your fat wife? let alone post a picture of it? or how you work on an assembly line? NOPE! You did it on your own accord... Was it loneliness or the need for self gratification? I do not know... But you posted it nonetheless...

 

[Stefano]

How can you seriously even complain about it if they are Solo PKing with 100k worth of loot on them, go find them and get revenge because that's money to be made! Plus even if they spend the entire 48 hours downtime just to farm up on a blue & to refuel their red, either way they are still losing all of that time next time they die! Do you actually think people who mainly play as a murderer actually enjoy being forced back onto one of their blue characters?

First of all, as I said at least 5 times, I'm not complaining about anything. Just expressing an opinion, which is quite different.
Then, let me tell you a little story happened 4 or 5 days ago.

I was in Deceit, bard spot, since i was training peacemaking. A guy pops up and start killing the zombies, apparently to train his archery skill.
I was quite upset, but I didn't say anything, since I was training peace and didn't really need all the mobs around me. After a few minutes, a gate opens, a full equipped player shows up, blue, calling out that guy and saying "Stop killing mobs, or I'll come back with my red and kill you".

I felt quite sad about this. Obviously the guy was doing something not good for other people, but I don't think that the solution prospected was better than the problem, do you?

 

[CAPTUN AUSTRALIA]

First of all, as I said at least 5 times, I'm not complaining about anything. Just expressing an opinion, which is quite different.
Then, let me tell you a little story happened 4 or 5 days ago.

I was in Deceit, bard spot, since i was training peacemaking. A guy pops up and start killing the zombies, apparently to train his archery skill.
I was quite upset, but I didn't say anything, since I was training peace and didn't really need all the mobs around me. After a few minutes, a gate opens, a full equipped player shows up, blue, calling out that guy and saying "Stop killing mobs, or I'll come back with my red and kill you".

I felt quite sad about this. Obviously the guy was doing something not good for other people, but I don't think that the solution prospected was better than the problem, do you?

And this is why i love UO.

Don't feel sad, but rather embrace it, or play a 'family friendly' game.... "iddqd" is god mode for doom, this is maybe what you're looking for?

 

[Stefano]

And this is why i love UO.

Nothing to say about this. Different opinions, which I highly respect

Don't feel sad, but rather embrace it, or play a 'family friendly' game.... "iddqd" is god mode for doom, this is maybe what you're looking for?

This, instead, is a really stupid thing to say/write. After I stated different times that I'm not complaining about being killed. No, I don't look for god mode, mate. Beside, I've been UO Shard admin for so long I don't bother being invulnerable anymore. It has lost all the glamour.

Maybe you should excercise a bit more in reading what I'm writing, if you're really interested, obviously. Just spare me, if you can, this kind of useless answers like the second part of your previous post. It was clearly made to irritate me, but if you think I'll start a flame, well... save time, trust me.

(I also have been admin of a gamer's community forum for a decade, so I've seen my quota of flames ;-) )

 

[Skye Wolfbane]

not everyone cares about "background" or roleplaying.

YOU TAKE THAT BACK!

And as much as I hate to say it, Glut has a point. Kill the blues then they want to join to not get killed.

Or they look to join another blue guild as there is sometimes safety in numbers.

 

[Shane]

Hi everyone.

First of all, let me say a couple of things:
- This is not a whining post nor a trolling one
- This post comes from a person who played UO since 1999, scripted a couple of shards (Using POL, RunUO, UO3X, SunUO), hosted some other. Not a complete ignorant in UO mechanics, then.

I thinks this is a great shard. I'm glad to have found it googling some time ago, and I'm glad I decided to remove the dust and the rust from my UO playing. I honestly think Devs here have done an incredible job creating new contents and a huge player base, something that I remember only from the old years, when you could have thousands of players on a free shard, and usually have it crash because hardware usually sucked

I'd like to share a thought about how people often misunderstand the difference between PVPing, which is sane, normal, regular and incredibly funny, and being a plain old murderer (and often a chain murderer and an harasser, the line is really thin).

In the old days, way before trammel/felucca, you usually had two server guilds, "Order" and "Chaos", which btw was what Garriot intended to have in this game. They fought on sight, everywhere. But both of guilds where "honest" in the meaning that they were both "blue", the did not commit criminal acts, and just share the world fighting to control it. In the middle, all "peasants" and "peons", meaning with it all the player not interested in fighting, could live their on live.
In this world, there were obviously also criminals, thieves, and murderers. But, both common criminals like thieves and bloody murderers knew that their live had to be harsh and hard. They chose to live on the edge or even beyond. Bucca was their only safe port in the storm. It was thrilling, it was completely RPG. I didn't know any single real murderer in this game that wanted to be part of a guild of murderers. They wanted and longed to be alone, creating some interesting rpg plot for them.

Unfortunately, the mechanics here gives the possibility to people to create murderers guilds, with dozens of red people roaming freely. Yes, they could lose their equip and waste money if the die (i usually see this reason in this forum), but the point is, a guild of murderers is something so completely unrealistic that spoils the fun.

What you red guilds should look for is PvP, not murdering everyone. Use the faction system. You don't need to be Dread Lord, and for sure the world don't need a guild of Dread Lords!

Beside, I don't mind being killed, this is not, I repeat, a whining post, because being killed in a dungeon or in the open is a chance. I personally hate being killed by blue players that just jump on your fight with a monster and steal the loot, or worse block you from recovering your belongings by chain killing you. But if I encounter a PK, i just try to recall away, If I can. No hate.

I'm only try to express a point of view, in what I think is the original sin of almost every shard I played in the last years. Mixing PvP with PKing, which are two completely different things, at least, they should be different, because they should be approached by different people, with different idea of the game.

What's the point in roaming in 5-6 reds, and kill a single bard which is exploring a dungeon solo? I honestly don't get it. While I perfectly understand being killed by a single PK, hidden somewhere, that just attack me and kill me - because he's a murderer! - i don't get the meaning of a bunch of red jumping on a single player who obviously can't be a menace, specially if he doesn't belong to a guild and so can't be considered an "enemy".

I heard for years justifications like "I've been born by a devil and I have to kill everything that lives" ... bullshits, i always answered then, and I do it now too

Sorry for the long post, I just wanted to share my thoughts, I know that there will be some red who will understand my point because usually play solo and is frustrated by the existence of those "roaming reds", and I know also that some people with difficulty in reading will call me forum troll or worse.

Just to close, I'm 37, so please spare me comments like "go crying to parents and blabla", because I think my time for these things is long gone ;-)

P.S. probably i did some grammar mistake. I'm not an english native, so I guess it's normal.

Have a nice day everyone

Appreciate the well thought out post.
However, let me fill you in here.
Richard Garriot has actually played here, been in game, and we've talked to him for a few hours personally. You would be extremely shocked at what he intended, and did not intend to happen in Ultima Online. From what i personally gathered from him is that UO was kind of a 80% finished game when it was released, and even still after that it wasn't finished to what he originally imagined. He is a very humble, great, respectable guy but he also knew nothing about ultima online anymore. I mean to the point that he didn't even know how to set macros, or anything. You need to understand that Garriot sold the game at it's prime (which is smart) to EA games. He later tried to get it back, and we asked him about that as well and there was just no chance in it at all which is how his new game became to be.
All in all, you'd be shocked at what Garriots thought process was with this whole process, it for sure isn't what most people think.

Over-all i think this is a complaint post that you got pk'd a few times here, which is the normal. What i will tell you is that we watch PK's closely, we always ensure that reds are at a 8-12% value of over-all online shard count. I personally watch this closely.

IF it gets insane large, i watch it, and then we introduce changes needed to balance it out.
Also when talking about a seriously heavy and emotional subject for everyone here this does not help:

You need to be in this community for much longer to have a strong voice here, but any voice is also recognized and appreciated as you can see me responding here.

Hope this answers some things, but as we see fit right now : Yes, pk's are at a high right now, but we expect a balance, and it has been happening actually. IT was much worse a month ago, but like i said, it's balancing it self out.

 

[Lexington]

*SMH*

Seriously, where are the reds?

Players like you @Lexington are so bad that you would literally die to a journeyman fencer, then still cry to the dev team that pks need a nerf.

I rarely get pked. Yesterday i did for once, as i was multi-clienting and EQMS got my tamer at a spawn, but i had my revenge on my red to a few of them since poison elementals managed to kill/separate them (lol!). Again, a player driven solution - i saw them getting ass fucked by spawn, got my red alchy macer back in and raped a few rather than crying: "a bunch of pks flamestriked me, wahhhhhhh, perma statloss, wahhhhh".

Apart from that, i was pked maybe 2-3 weeks ago by 4 odd stealth archers with a blue gater. You know what i did - I ALMOST WET MYSELF IN LAUGHTER! It was hilarious that this random attack actually happened and i instant died when i was killing a paragon air elemental (i have to kill paragons with good statues lol). I think it was snickle fritz and co, and i say hats off to the creative and surprise kill! Being blue on that char, i lose nothing, but meaningless pet statloss. Trust me, it is nothing compared to the 48 hours i get on my pks. FYI, i came back in OP'd runic leather ar/protection with my pets ressed in under 2 minutes for revenge, but they had left =( - again, another player solution.

I am so sick of the whiny blues who have only ever played one way, and beyond that never tried to improve themselves.

I do most aspects of this game from pvp, pking and most tram shit. I know the game in and out. Instead of crying because i fail to improve, i adapt... Most of you who consistently whine have still yet to break out of young status after 15 years, which i find amusing but disturbing in many ways.

You proved my point exactly. It's not me that's the stuboron one. I'm not the one that feels the need to measure my dick and talk about how great I am everytime someone talkes about the possibility of changes to my play style. I personally couldn't give a shit if they nerf anything. If this server turns into a sea of red, so be it, I'll still be here.

What you arrogant or insecure players ( hard to tell which it is ) need to ask yourself is... How many free servers have failed because the dev team thought players solutions would fix the issue? If you really believe player solutions will fix the problem, when and if it becomes one, you need to get your head out of your ass.

I'm not the selfish one here. I just want to make sure, like most, that this server is around for along time.