A line in the sand

Fattson

Grandmaster
This is an idea I've been thinking on for a while. Crafters have been getting griefed to the point where they don't want to craft anymore. We're griefed at brit crafting, in our homes, everywhere. Or so it seems. The very people who treat us this way go to our vendor houses and buy what they don't manage to steal or dry loot off our bodies.

I used to enjoy crafting and for a couple of weeks I've been thinking of something that we, as a community, can do to solve some of our issues. This is the best idea i've come up with thus far.

Eliminate our craftables from vendor houses. Sell rares and ss and ps and whatever else, but let's take the craftables to the interwebz. This gives us complete control over our own prices and who we deal with. Depending on how much of an ass someone is, we can inflate pricing or refuse service all together. Proper communication among the crafting community would make this plan ideal. If we're all scum bags to each other, then imo, we deserve to be griefed, because we're no different than the people who are treating us this way. A crafter's thread would look something like this.

Hi, I'm Fattson.

These are my skills:

Here is a list of current inventory:

Please pm me for pricing.

Granted, that's pretty basic and we as a group could certainly hammer out something better. I'd like to hear some thoughts on this. If the big name guys are in, then we can make something happen.

@Wizx13 @BeerJedi @Mango @Enthalpic @Tac0bell @Bromista
 

Wizx13

Grandmaster
Im not really bothered any more. Aside from PCH attacking me at my shop tonight and random pks coming by and scaring off customers all has been quiet.
I stock the largest crafted armor shop on the server and am gratefull for all my loyal customers. Red, blue, griefer, thief they all buy from me.
The last time I pissed off the community of thiefs and griefers I took a huge hit for weeks but during that time I learned how to be basicly thief proof to the point that I havent lost anything to a thief or griefer in a good 2 months.
If we stop crafting it wont bother anyone. I would say 95% of all players on the server can craft themselvs anything they need and if they cant there is 100 more people that can or will.
Just my 2 cents :)
 

Fattson

Grandmaster
Im not really bothered any more. Aside from PCH attacking me at my shop tonight and random pks coming by and scaring off customers all has been quiet.
I stock the largest crafted armor shop on the server and am gratefull for all my loyal customers. Red, blue, griefer, thief they all buy from me.
The last time I pissed off the community of thiefs and griefers I took a huge hit for weeks but during that time I learned how to be basicly thief proof to the point that I havent lost anything to a thief or griefer in a good 2 months.
If we stop crafting it wont bother anyone. I would say 95% of all players on the server can craft themselvs anything they need and if they cant there is 100 more people that can or will.
Just my 2 cents :)
Nah. You're probably right.
 

Bromista

Grandmaster
Tbh I don't "craft" per se, I don't stock vendors or make slayers. I just farm BODs and trade or sell rewards. I buy resources as-needed which is on a monthly or less basis. I post a thread and deal at the docks.

I've no dog in this fight.
 

Fattson

Grandmaster
Tbh I don't "craft" per se, I don't stock vendors or make slayers. I just farm BODs and trade or sell rewards. I buy resources as-needed which is on a monthly or less basis. I post a thread and deal at the docks.

I've no dog in this fight.
I know. But you've been around since close to the beginning, same as I have. So you've seen what it was, what is is, and what it's turning into. Why I tagged you.
 

Bromista

Grandmaster
Valid point.

Fatts your suggestion is how I see a current/entry level crafter being able to deal with griefers. It is a shame that some have left our ranks due to grief, but maybe UOF just wasn't for them. If it wasn't crafter griefing it would have been something else. Any hardened vets like yourselves have accepted that the griefers are going to outlast those they are griefing and have found a way to deal, learned the tricks, etc.

For anyone who chooses to fill any crafting void with self-sufficiency they too will have to learn the tricks...so a good first step would be to do what this post intends to do and create a user-friendly medium for b/s/t of goods complete with guides for sidestepping the grief. The info is almost all out there I'm sure, but it's not centralized and posted in guides and the crafting forum so that would be a good move also.
 

Mango

Grandmaster
I've gotten pretty good at avoiding griefers. The one thing that bothers me is that there just isn't any income in crafting anymore. Since my return, i have actually lost money just by having vendors lol.

I think the issue (for my part atleast) is that theirs all this content that was just fabricated into thin air.
- god-like bows that can be crafted in bulk, crafted slayers, and countless other items that devalue the worth of runics.

It's no different than playing AoS, it's just that 'legendaries' are crafted wares here.
 

Wizx13

Grandmaster
I've gotten pretty good at avoiding griefers. The one thing that bothers me is that there just isn't any income in crafting anymore. Since my return, i have actually lost money just by having vendors lol.

I think the issue (for my part atleast) is that theirs all this content that was just fabricated into thin air.
- god-like bows that can be crafted in bulk, crafted slayers, and countless other items that devalue the worth of runics.

It's no different than playing AoS, it's just that 'legendaries' are crafted wares here.
There is plenty of money in crafted items. Both of my shops are
comprised entirely of crafted items.
I am a investment crafter I buy all my raw mats, kits, hammers from the community.

It takes dedication to stock a crafted item shop.

Golden Dragon is my main shop. It has 15 vendors dedicated to just armor suits. 256 suits total. 4 vendors dedicated to runic weapons and 5 more of random items I have found that sell well.

Slayerville is my 2nd shop. 24 vendors stocking nothing but crafred slayers.

Crafting is something I love to do. At times it does get overwhelming for me to keep up with it but for the most part if im out of stock im reloaded in 12-24 hrs.

On a good hit I have made 1.8m in the 48hr shoping rush I get going into the weekends.

In my opinion if you dont stock it you cant sell it. I believe the majority of my customers shop with me because you will rarely find me out of anything and I have a wide range of prices and gear to fit everyone :)
 
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thriftyuoplayer

Grandmaster
God @Mango you're so pretty!!

Edit: just to not have a non topic post..

I agree with fixing crafter griefing...

Or at the minimum, make it so if you go gray when you attack someone, every time you hit them, guards can be called on you.. This would fix the attacking from the edge, then mowing crafters down thing.
 

Wizx13

Grandmaster
God @Mango you're so pretty!!

Edit: just to not have a non topic post..

I agree with fixing crafter griefing...

Or at the minimum, make it so if you go gray when you attack someone, every time you hit them, guards can be called on you.. This would fix the attacking from the edge, then mowing crafters down thing.
Snag a escort. They insta call guards on attack.
 

Mango

Grandmaster
There is plenty of money in crafted items. Both of my shops are
comprised entirely of crafted items.
I am a investment crafter I buy all my raw mats, kits, hammers from the community.

It takes dedication to stock a crafted item shop.

Golden Dragon is my main shop. It has 15 vendors dedicated to just armor suits. 256 suits total. 4 vendors dedicated to runic weapons and 5 more of random items I have found that sell well.

Slayerville is my 2nd shop. 24 vendors stocking nothing but crafred slayers.

Crafting is something I love to do. At times it does get overwhelming for me to keep up with it but for the most part if im out of stock im reloaded in 12-24 hrs.

On a good hit I have made 1.8m in the 48hr shoping rush I get going into the weekends.

In my opinion if you dont stock it you cant sell it. I believe the majority of my customers shop with me because you will rarely find me out of anything and I have a wide range of prices and gear to fit everyone :)
serously? yikes! I have 23 crafting vendors that are never out-of-stock, and nothing sells... am... am I losing my touch? Jk, I'll have to figure out what i'm doing wrong hehe. Love your shop btw!
 

Weland

Grandmaster
serously? yikes! I have 23 crafting vendors that are never out-of-stock, and nothing sells... am... am I losing my touch? Jk, I'll have to figure out what i'm doing wrong hehe. Love your shop btw!

Mango I went looking for your shop to get some ideas and to look for some ingots but I didn't see your gater near the bank. A guild mate hooked me up with a rune to recall too but you were out of ingots T_T.
 

Weland

Grandmaster
I'm currently in the process of polishing off 3 bod smiths. Are there any tips and things to watch out for?
 

Mango

Grandmaster
Mango I went looking for your shop to get some ideas and to look for some ingots but I didn't see your gater near the bank. A guild mate hooked me up with a rune to recall too but you were out of ingots T_T.
yeah, i stopped stocking colored ingots, havent sold any in weeks. Sorry for not gating, I just got back from vacation today :) <3
 

Weland

Grandmaster
I think i can forgive :) I don't want colored ingots right now anyways. I'm looking for just plan jane ingots for lvling my BOD Smiths. I need to get 3 of em to at least 90 each.
 

Lithium149

Grandmaster
@Wizx13 .. Hey where is your Slayerville shop located? I recently started this shard and haven't really found a place to buy Super Slayer (Reptilian Doom) War Hammers or any bulk weapon Super Slayer vendors for that matter but could be I am new and not knowing where to look!

Are you close to a certain Moongate? Thinking of switching to Archery because I am having so much troubles finding any super slayer War Hammers :(
 
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