I agree but is it fair to there in turn reward blues. PvMing straight PvMing mmakes vastly more gold than anything we get. It's not like we find our prey with full sacks and more often then not they are able to recall out. With no bolas and the ability to recall out because my screen even logs due to how clients are updated. I am confused to why everyone is acting like its so horrible. There are plenty of spawns you can use in rotation and I have spoke to fact repeatly that I was able to make my first char in Shame and not get pked once. I did this as a brand new player after farming enough gold at Brit gy. It wasn't as hard as anyone is making it seem just no one wants to work for anything. Of course if you stay at a one spawn that is popular a pk will come, duh. Your runebook should be full of spawns in which you can recall in kill a decent amount of monsters with a medium respond and you run the book rotation. Everyone is just simply lazy and wants Shane to make the world safe. The PvM in Ultima Online is a means to a end. No one claims PvM in Ultima Online is good even. It's dated and it hasn't aged well at all. A much bigger issue is meta pets both for pve balance and pvp balance. But no one wants to deal with that topic let alone talk about it because we all abuse them.