GluttonySDS
Grandmaster
Nice post.
Incentives for PVP
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Nice post.
Bromista
Grandmaster
Thanks, gayboi
Don't know why you bother dude.. Pretty sure every pvper has seen shane say in discord a hundred times he doesn't give a fuck about the pvp community. You want to be heard? Get on your reds and grief the fuck out of every dungeon and champ spawn.
GluttonySDS
Grandmaster
Pretty disheartening if true... not sure why staff thinks good PVE and good PVP cannot co-exist. In fact, the more people PVPing in an incentivized PVP system just means that there's less people PKing the people who just want to PVE in peace.
bradley-
Grandmaster
The best bet would be to voice your concern about militias. We all know it's going to happen (at some point) which means nothing, or very little, will be done to the current system. If the militia system works the same way as it did on another server I played then each town gets a hero (although I'd suggest starting small with a few towns 3-4) that the town militia will have to protect. You can kidnap enemy town heros and toss them in your town's jail. The mayor/governor of the town can choose perks such as more gold, better loot, higher skill gain for different groups of skills, more resources, etc, etc, etc. More heros in your jail = Higher & better bonuses. Players who do not wish to be a part of the town militia can still become a citizen of whatever town they choose to take advantage of the perks that town's leader has chosen.
The militia system is very fun and it's a shame that it was announced SO long ago and still has not been implemented. However, I believe that when it is put in-game that the militia PvP will flourish. This system promotes more than just PvP as well.. RP groups/guilds benefit from this system and don't be surprised to see enemies forming unlikely, temporary alliances to achieve a common goal. I've seen the militia system in action and I know several other players in the community who have also seen it. It works very well.
We just need it here. In game.
The militia system is very fun and it's a shame that it was announced SO long ago and still has not been implemented. However, I believe that when it is put in-game that the militia PvP will flourish. This system promotes more than just PvP as well.. RP groups/guilds benefit from this system and don't be surprised to see enemies forming unlikely, temporary alliances to achieve a common goal. I've seen the militia system in action and I know several other players in the community who have also seen it. It works very well.
We just need it here. In game.
Young Star
Grandmaster
kolbycrouch
Master
+1 for increase faction silver from kills.
baseball dad
Master
Gluts drinks his own kool-aid.
Anyone with an iq over 80 can surely see that target closest pvp is it's own worst enemy - it has killed pvp here.
EQMS running around 10 deep pressing target closest spell has ruined pvp.
I'll give a suggestion for the thread:
- a target closest talisman which you gain for killing people. When proc'd, any gank mage who presses his target closest/target acquire hot key gets zapped by his own spell.
Well that's certainly not fucking true.
Jesus
Young Star
Grandmaster
Just ignore that crap. There are plenty of other productive comments that were given in this thread.
StegcO
Grandmaster
Do you want all people make pvp glutt?
Remove Wands
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Remove Runic Weapon damage against human
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Crafted exp weapon automatically have power/surpassly bonus ONLY against chars
You will se half of the shard making pvp becouse no needs to buy verite runic weapons and no needs to restock 5 wands everytime died
Remove Wands
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Remove Runic Weapon damage against human
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Crafted exp weapon automatically have power/surpassly bonus ONLY against chars
You will se half of the shard making pvp becouse no needs to buy verite runic weapons and no needs to restock 5 wands everytime died
Kird
Adept
fyp
GluttonySDS
Grandmaster
Is this a joke? You play a dexxer on razor using attack closest and purple pot scripts... stop pretending like target closest makes a bit of difference in PVP. It is a feature standard on EVERY shard and EVERY client. Stop crying and learn to play.
I will agree that wands are lame -- the people who cried for them to be added(aga, jamiez, chad, etc) dont even play here anymore. All wands has done is make people have 5 or 6 additional scripts(yes, all wand drops can be 100% scripted) and increase the skill gap in PVP. Now -- I'm fine for making factions have a higher skill threshold for PVP if thats what we want ... but if thats the case, add bolas, mount fatigue, and AoE spells to factions to balance shit out... not JUST wands.
As for runic weapons, these are so few and far between that its a pretty much non issue, espeically when you MUST own a sigil to make a weapon and they only stay blessed for half the time they do on other shards.
StegcO
Grandmaster
If an exceptional katana automatically will be Power/Surpassly against chars you will se more people play dexxer and more people in pvp
GluttonySDS
Grandmaster
Why would an exceptional katana automatically be a power weapon? If you want to play an easy mode dexxer then you have to spend maybe 10-20k for gear... hardly a lot of money considering how much meta pets cost to complete(50+mil).
drasked
Grandmaster
So what can we expect in the near future in terms of PVP content?
Last time i asked you on discord about kingdoms it sounded like it was done but you guys didn't want to release it for an (to me) unknown reason.
Do you want more suggestions for pvp stuff or there something in the works we need to be patient for, and if so, can we know about it?
GluttonySDS
Grandmaster
It's been over a year since we were supposed to get a replacement for factions... since then we've seen faction PVP gutted(sigil bonuses removed, ability to be in multiple factions allowed, etc). In one year the only PVP content added were wands and firehorns, which is cool but also no where near a priority in improving PVP here(in fact, many can argue wands simply made PVP worse).
I'm all about UOForever(its the only UO shard worth playing) but the fact there is such little attention given to PVP on here is troubling... especially when many suggestions have been offered and promises made but not kept.
kolbycrouch
Master
I feel like a lot more attention has been given to pvp here than most shards I've played on.
In UO right now you have 3 different kinds of servers.
1. UOF
2. Shitty server made by 1 corrupt gm and played by his guild-mates from their last server.
3. Server that tries to clone some era of OSI without thinking about balance at all.
On my last server, champ spawns were the pvp incentive. Every single champ was bound to get raided.
Without a spawn, people would barely come out to fight.
Gluttony is right, as much as some don't care, most want some kind of pixel incentive to get them to fight.
Come out with better ways to distribute silver, and a more diverse collection of rewards to claim with silver.
As it is, Reds gets pixels for killing blues. Blues get pixels for killing monsters. Factions have little incentive.
In UO right now you have 3 different kinds of servers.
1. UOF
2. Shitty server made by 1 corrupt gm and played by his guild-mates from their last server.
3. Server that tries to clone some era of OSI without thinking about balance at all.
On my last server, champ spawns were the pvp incentive. Every single champ was bound to get raided.
Without a spawn, people would barely come out to fight.
Gluttony is right, as much as some don't care, most want some kind of pixel incentive to get them to fight.
Come out with better ways to distribute silver, and a more diverse collection of rewards to claim with silver.
As it is, Reds gets pixels for killing blues. Blues get pixels for killing monsters. Factions have little incentive.
Kilike
Grandmaster
I've been gone awhile but it seems almost nothing has changed. /sad
Anyhow let's break these down without any basis shall we.
Did we forget where we are? You're in said dungeon pvping over this mark. Think those blues will stick around long to farm anything? Prolly not. This tax, would it come off 10% of the gold the person/s farming would make? So just because they have no desire in factions they automatically lose 10% of anything they kill? That's bad for business, or did you mean, 10% is generated per kill not affecting the player farming it and thus creating this gold out of thin air? If so that's also bad for business as in dilutes gold worth even more.
Do we not understand basic supply and demand? 500silver wouldn't be worth 20k gold anymore, if you were getting 500silver a kill. All the board idea does, is create more work on the staff, having to check names constantly to see whose who, and if they "cheated" and ego stroking. Idea just wouldn't work, nor would it be enough to get more/new people into the scene.
If the salary is paid in silver this could be a decent idea. Though as stated earlier this would drop silver to gold price. Which would require silver to be more useful in terms of gearing up for pvp, specially with how much silver would end up on the server. However a Gold salary just doesn't do it for me. PvP isn't about making gold. Not in our Era anyways.....More on that later.
Unfortunately I can't put to much into this one, as I haven't been back long enough to see how the changes affect this. Though I feel like I read somewhere that factioners do get more score? Not that any of that matters. Spawns and RDA's shouldn't need a Faction incentive. The incentive in both of these are the rewards already. This isn't a mechanic issue, it's a selfish issue. Of all the years and different servers I've played, it seems teamwork on UOF is at an all time low. Having been in the majority of guilds on this server, I have seen the same problem.
One group who solely wants to pvp, and will bail on the objective of killing a spawn while they chase down targets, and another group who solely wants it down and to GTFO. Both are options that with just a LITTLE teamwork benefit each other greatly. Sadly the fix to this wouldn't be well reviewed on a server like ours.
This conversation is brought up far to much to be honest. Incentives in the short run do one thing. Favor the guild on top immediately, and in the long run MIGHT even things out and bring more to factions, but as you stated in your pvp rankings thread. NO one is contesting you guys right now and haven't for 2 years. So incentives or not, these ideas seem to benefit who the most? Go ahead, answer it. It's you. Since we know you'll write this off as me being salty, or clueless, yada yada.
If people truly want pvp to flourish it requires drastic changes, and mechanics a lot of people on a UOR style server are going to reject just because it's NOT ERA CORRECT!. /shakes head Won't even bother putting said suggestions down.
Anyhow let's break these down without any basis shall we.
Did we forget where we are? You're in said dungeon pvping over this mark. Think those blues will stick around long to farm anything? Prolly not. This tax, would it come off 10% of the gold the person/s farming would make? So just because they have no desire in factions they automatically lose 10% of anything they kill? That's bad for business, or did you mean, 10% is generated per kill not affecting the player farming it and thus creating this gold out of thin air? If so that's also bad for business as in dilutes gold worth even more.
Do we not understand basic supply and demand? 500silver wouldn't be worth 20k gold anymore, if you were getting 500silver a kill. All the board idea does, is create more work on the staff, having to check names constantly to see whose who, and if they "cheated" and ego stroking. Idea just wouldn't work, nor would it be enough to get more/new people into the scene.
If the salary is paid in silver this could be a decent idea. Though as stated earlier this would drop silver to gold price. Which would require silver to be more useful in terms of gearing up for pvp, specially with how much silver would end up on the server. However a Gold salary just doesn't do it for me. PvP isn't about making gold. Not in our Era anyways.....More on that later.
Unfortunately I can't put to much into this one, as I haven't been back long enough to see how the changes affect this. Though I feel like I read somewhere that factioners do get more score? Not that any of that matters. Spawns and RDA's shouldn't need a Faction incentive. The incentive in both of these are the rewards already. This isn't a mechanic issue, it's a selfish issue. Of all the years and different servers I've played, it seems teamwork on UOF is at an all time low. Having been in the majority of guilds on this server, I have seen the same problem.
One group who solely wants to pvp, and will bail on the objective of killing a spawn while they chase down targets, and another group who solely wants it down and to GTFO. Both are options that with just a LITTLE teamwork benefit each other greatly. Sadly the fix to this wouldn't be well reviewed on a server like ours.
This conversation is brought up far to much to be honest. Incentives in the short run do one thing. Favor the guild on top immediately, and in the long run MIGHT even things out and bring more to factions, but as you stated in your pvp rankings thread. NO one is contesting you guys right now and haven't for 2 years. So incentives or not, these ideas seem to benefit who the most? Go ahead, answer it. It's you. Since we know you'll write this off as me being salty, or clueless, yada yada.
If people truly want pvp to flourish it requires drastic changes, and mechanics a lot of people on a UOR style server are going to reject just because it's NOT ERA CORRECT!. /shakes head Won't even bother putting said suggestions down.
kolbycrouch
Master
Most people farm monsters to get silver, because its 1000x faster than to track down and kill players.
Yes, increasing the overall silver drop in-game would decrease it's value, but not by much. Because most silver is still obtained from monsters.
This would simply allow PvP-only factioners to gain reasonable amounts of silver.
Increasing faction silver by 10x would not drop the silver price anywhere near 1/10.
So PvP-only players, would be getting proportionately more silver than before.
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